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Bet you a dollar it was a drunk driver. My Tesla freaks the fuck out when it "sees" emergency lights while on autopilot. Warnings pop up, beepers beep and it slows way down. Annoying as hell and I just drop out of autopilot and drive manually past the the problem. I get when there is a major crash, but some guy getting a speeding ticket is hardly worth all the fuss. Oh and the fact that even with Autopilot on your have to pay attention.

 

Teslas are statistically among the safest vehicles on the planet, the autonomous driving is far safer than human driving.

 

Driver of ICE vehicle killed crashing into fire truck

https://www.wbtv.com/2019/03/19/car...oth-vehicles-treated-injuries/?outputType=amp

whats your point ?

 

Had a chance to watch the video, yes could say it is an indoctrination film, she isn’t wrong though. A detailed version of what I have been saying. Her heart is in the right place but she is wrong on recycling, it has been proved it doesn’t work. Know the recycling of batteries keeps coming up with the premise of being a good thing. Don’t know that it is.

My wife used to work at an E-Waste recycling company, one of the most toxic things I have seen with my own eyes. It all gets picked through by hand to extract all the precious metals and components, then what is left is sold to highest bidder usually from China, loaded into containers then shipped over there, to be picked through again, made into products then shipped out again. It is horrible, sounds good on the surface, but it isn’t.

She couldn’t take it anymore and quit. It might even be the cause of her cancer that was detected in 2020. Anyone touting the greatness of battery recycling, highly recommend for them to go and see the process with their own eyes.

 

EV=gimmick

 

Think his point is, if the Tesla was self driving it isnt ready for Prime Time. However at this current juncture we don’t know until the data is pulled.

However as the technology progresses it should eliminate much of the human error. Heck, if we are lucky, humans one day will be deemed obsolete by the machines. Will it be the Venus Project utopia or Sky Net?

 

The data disagrees, see chart below. Like @OZ-T posting the ICE accident… We just don’t get bombarded with news headlines about yet another ICE accident/fireball/whatever. But as soon as the smallest thing happens to a Tesla we hear all about it. Society is being frustratingly stubborn about self driving tech (and EVs in general). Why do “we” insist on autopilot tech being absolutely 100% issue-free before we’ll give it any credibility? It’s already many orders of magnitude safer than human operators.

 

The data for that particular car is what I am referring to. If you read the article they don’t know if it was using driver assistance at the time of the accident.

Yes, overall it is an improvement over humans. Get even better when more and more are on the road talking to one another. As I stated, however you edited out most of my post to make me look like I don’t agree for whatever reason.

Why are people stubborn?? Believe we don’t like change when comes down to it. Hell, my cheap ass finally broke down and decided to buy a new truck, surely don’t want to turn around and buy another. As I believe we should try and get as much use out of product, instead of constantly buying the latest and greatest. Finally get a new truck after 20+ years of having the old one, now all the tech is changing. For fuuuuuucks sake. Don’t even want to try to keep up with it anymore. Those EV trucks aren’t cheap either, more I spend, the more I have work and sell stuff. The more resources myself and my business consumes. But we are told EVs are going to be our saviors.

Trucks are already insanely expensive can only imagine what they will be in 20 years when I need a new one.

 

That settles it boys, time to close the thread and move on.

 

Folks need to recognize however that e-waste recycling is a dramatically different problem than EV battery recycling.

Having hundreds of thousands of manufactures produce millions of different designs, each with their own disassembly method, all just to extract a few ounces of material for each product. EVs on the other hand have dozens of manufactures producing hundreds, at most thousands, of different designs with each design containing thousands of pounds of materials.

Lithium battery recycling is very much an issue, but consumer products will have a massively larger impact than EV batteries. Heck, at the very least it's Very easy to implement processes to get EV batteries to a recycling center, almost impossible to get even a fraction of consumer products to a recycling center.

 

Better turn in your battery powered tools, electric dryer, water heater, cell phones, laptops, etc. This madness won’t stand!

 

It is different, there will be a day when the EV is at the end of its service life, and will need to be recycled. Have to factor that in too.

At the E-Recycling company she worked for, they would pull the lithium batteries. Which required special precautions to handle and ship them. Last I heard the place got fire, which you know isn’t exactly a good thing.

 

lol!

 

He has me convinced. I'm gonna build a coal powered Tacoma.

 

Wood gas for me. I’ll deforest it first, then you can do mountain top removal for the coal.

 

My Rivian is 67% fossil fueled looking at the electric generation sources.

 

source?

post 669:

 

I'm on nuclear where I live.

 

What is it you are looking for a source on?

To the same end, what was the relevance is the post you linked?

 

Lithium ion batteries- when recycled using the method, get better.


There will never be a “silver bullet” solution to recycling ANYTHING. Instead; manufacturers should be accountable for the products they produce. “Cradle to grave” has been proposed in other countries - which would make manufacturers responsible for their product and the disassembly and recycling.

That being said, in the US our companies just file for bankruptcy and wash there hands. Look at all the mines for example.