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Discussion in 'Electric Vehicles (EVs)' started by khaki2020offroad, Jan 29, 2021.

  1. Feb 20, 2023 at 6:19 AM
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    SwollenGoat

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    Or 67% stored solar energy depending on how you look at it…


    I remember when Fukushima had a meltdown, the owners of the E-Recycle company my wife worked for were somewhat of preppers to say they least. They gave us a bunch of iodine tablets, and a Geiger Counter, plus showed us a website that tracks nuclear fallout.
     
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  2. Feb 20, 2023 at 8:18 AM
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    I like that one, going to steal it and use it.
     
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  4. Feb 20, 2023 at 9:16 PM
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    It's funny, anytime there is a Tesla crash people immediately speculate if the AI caused it. As if always looking to justify some agenda against autonomous driving technologies. Statistically, as pointed out earlier, humans are far more likely to crash over autonomous driving. Remember the Tesla that drove off the 250ft cliff? Instantly so many questioned if it was the AI that had sent the car over the cliff. Turned out the driver was suicidal and tried to kill his family and intentionally drove the car off the cliff, but not realized in the media before similar articles questioned Tesla. But despite his best suicide efforts driving the safest car ever tested in the US and EU resulted in everyone surviving in what was deemed an "unsurvivable accident".
     
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  5. Feb 21, 2023 at 7:31 AM
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    Last I checked the cause hasn't been determined. I don't think autonomous driving systems can detected objects that aren't always in the road, objects like a Pierce tiller truck covered in LED warning lights.

    If autonomous vehicles can't detect unforeseen hazards on the highway that's not a good system.
     
  6. Feb 21, 2023 at 8:23 AM
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    which is exactly why nobody understands why you posted a link to a car crash that may or may not prove some point you may or may not have at some point in time or not
     
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  7. Feb 21, 2023 at 8:25 AM
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    That's why I ignored him. He just makes things up with no evidence or any fact. I got tired of it....lol
     
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    That was a news article that involved an electric vehicle.

    Most likely there are three possible factors that led to that crash.

    1. Autonomous mode didn't make adjustments for unpredictable road hazardous.

    2. Driver was under the influence or suffering from a medical emergency.

    3. Equipment failure.

    Edit

    There have been occasion where Tesla FSD has been the determining factor that caused a crash.
    https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/why-is-tesla-tsla-stock-down-today-9-1032112658
    Further, in January 2023, The Intercept reported on footage of a Tesla causing an eight-vehicle crash on the San Francisco Bay Bridge when its driver used the FSD feature.
     
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    This made me laugh pretty hard because humans can’t detect unforeseen events. It’s why we say hindsight is 20/20.
     
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    As pointed out previously, autonomous driving is far safer than human driving.

    upload_2023-2-21_11-36-56.jpg

    The systems detect things that are not always on the road, especially a massive truck. It will pickup construction cones, people, dogs etc. It sounds like you are unfamiliar and inexperienced with these systems.

    Automatic emergency braking is federally mandated on all new vehicles now, it has little to do with FSD, as every new vehicle now has it including every ICE car. Phantom braking occurs on all types of vehicles, same happens on ICE cars.
    https://www.wthr.com/amp/article/ne...self/531-ec6c8ce2-37de-4826-9f4a-7065db7e8e62

    Had the other cars behind the vehicle suddenly stopping been equipped with autonomous driving technologies maybe they would have avoided the accident as well. Delays in human processing and reaction time would have been removed from the equation. Crashes still happen, again look at the chart, they are there. They are not eliminated. But you are 10x more likely to be in an accident with a human driver than you are with an autonomous one.
     
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    I'm going with the Tesla that crashed into the stationary fire truck was in FSD mode when the driver was killed.
     
  13. Feb 21, 2023 at 1:14 PM
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    The irony today. Parked ladder trailer fire truck partially blocking a lane responding to an emergency. Cars AI correctly identifies it as a tractor trailer obstructing the lane. I took a picture just for you so you can have a better understanding.

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    But it's day light and the entire unit is parked in a single lane.

    The other crash it was dark out, and the fire truck was occupying at least two lanes. The tractor was in one lane, and the trailer was spread across two lanes. The Tesla was also traveling at highway speeds.

    Two very different conditions.
     
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    after experiencing this in another EV thread I can definitively tell you all that you’re better off teaching a rock how to use logic. Trust hundreds of us and just use the ignore function.
     
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    There are two types of people in this world.
    1) Those who come to conclusions from incomplete data.
     
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    Certainly understand the thought sediment, but not my first rodeo. One of these posters has a vehicle design degree, shares industry data, statistical facts, and has personal experience with these systems. The point isn't how to teach a rock how to use logic, it is to show others how misinformed the arguments are. The last year of completed fatality data shows 2021 with 42,915 vehicle accident traffic fatalities. 2022 is on par to land extremely similar numbers. Trying to make a point out of that one time autonomous driving may have, or may not have crashed, as it hasn't been determined and referenced articles are clearly written with self promoting click-bait headlines for ratings without any established facts other than a car crashed and we don't know why. It's all pretty shallow to put it nicely. It is statistically 10x more likely to be a humans fault, not that the autonomous systems are perfect, but they are statistically far better than people. The fatality count puts the crash at 0.00002% of the crash fatalities for a year. Obviously all fatalities are awful and should be avoided. But if that was the real reason behind these conversations, the obvious solution is to outlaw highly dangerous human driving.
     
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    I can’t help myself.
     
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