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Am I reading this resistance result correctly?

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by Kristi with a K, Feb 13, 2023.

  1. Feb 22, 2023 at 6:32 PM
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    ok. Thank you. I’m not 100% sure it’s bad. I figured it’d be smarter to have a replacement in hand prior to attempting to get at it.
    I happened upon these instructions in the wiring manual & failed.
    Last test.

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  2. Feb 22, 2023 at 9:25 PM
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    & I thank you. Had I realized this may be responsible for this particular EFI issue, I would have waited off. However, all is not lost as I have learned much.... I wonder if this even could be related to the power outlet thing. The dome fuse is connected to it & the combo meter, which has to do with the cel. That PO relay was getting pretty warm just in the few mins I was testing the EFI this afternoon....

    I'll report back after crankshaft install....
     
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  3. Feb 24, 2023 at 1:02 PM
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    So I watched a vid on testing the crankshaft sensor. One thing to do was to hook the sensor up to a power source along with the multimeter. Then set it to AC & magnetize it using a piece of metal. It should show voltage. I hooked it up to the battery. Get 0v - good. Then no change when magnetized. Am I doing this correctly? Or is this a valid test, as I did not see it in the FSM.
    I went on to this step because my resistance was ok.
    Oh, & I broke the 10mm bolt whilst removing. However, other than confessing, I’m choosing the denial route for now….
     
  4. Feb 24, 2023 at 1:07 PM
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    It’s hard to diagnose a bad crank signal if it’s not “completely” bad. Unless you have a lab scope, about all you can do is look for rpm signal.

    And broken bolts happen. Nothing to to be embarrassed about. We’ve all don’t it.
     
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  5. Feb 24, 2023 at 1:20 PM
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    Ok. I thought it’d come back with a resistance fail. & I didn’t wanna throw money at a sensor if it could be in the wiring, so I thought I’d look up further ways to bench test it. It made sense that some change would take place when magnetized.

    thank you….
    & yeah, it’s just a REALLY sucky place to have it happen….
     
  6. Feb 24, 2023 at 1:27 PM
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    & if it was defective or I knew it now, it’d help make me the bolt worth something as I work away at it ;)
     
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  7. Feb 24, 2023 at 9:27 PM
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    That bolt doesn’t require a lot of torque.
    Spec is 69 INCH lbs.
     
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  8. Feb 24, 2023 at 9:47 PM
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    Whelp, when I can manage to get grips around the little 3 threads I have to work with, whilst it’s Impossible to see & do it at the same time, it doesn’t seem to be budging….
     
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  9. Feb 24, 2023 at 9:52 PM
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    I’d almost have to be there and see the situation before giving any advice on how to get it out.

    I’ve done everything from creating a slot in the threads, drilling with left hand bits, and drilling with standard bots and extractors.

    Broken bolts almost lays require a plan of action.
    The plan always includes a lot of swear words..:rofl:
     
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  10. Feb 25, 2023 at 11:29 AM
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  11. Feb 25, 2023 at 11:51 AM
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    Yeah, that is definitely in a bad spot.
    I doesn’t look like you have much room to try vice grips.
    And getting a dremel in there to cut a slot doesn’t look any easier.
    Not even a right angle drill would help.

    You may have to resort to pulling parts off.
    If you could get a straight shot at it from up top, you might use a drill bit extension and drill it?
     
  12. Feb 26, 2023 at 5:58 PM
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    So I ended up epoxy’ing it on. The coolant pipe was going to have to come off & I’m not even sure if that woulda done it. Anyway, if this doesn’t work, it’ll be an early belt job time. There was a space behind where it seats, so I was able to add in a zippy for added security.

    Good news is when the new one had ac voltage applied & a piece of metal was put up to it, it did react. The original did not.
     
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  13. Mar 4, 2023 at 2:24 PM
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    Ok. Time to continue on here. Whilst the sensor did indeed help with some idle roughness, the cel (mil) is still not coming on at startup. Idle is high & some roughness remains.

    The EFI is still the same.

    So I decided to see if there was continuity between EFI term 3 (B+) & a few of the sensors it was directly connected to at their B+ terms. MAF, VPS, VSV, as well as the circuit opening relay. No. No. No. & no. Then I ran a wire from the ECU B+ to the EFI term 3 & same thing. No continuity with the addition of an erratically high reading. Each of these do however, have continuity with term 5 at the EFI, which is BATT. & both B+ & BATT have to do with the MIL....

    & yes, these checks were done with the ECU connector disconnected.

    Any suggestions on my next check? I did not check each & every sensor on the B+ line. AM2 fuse itself has continuity.... Ignition switch?

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  14. Mar 7, 2023 at 8:30 AM
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    So I will update even though I got no response to the last post.

    Using the prior diagram, I am getting continuity from B+ at the ECU to term 1 of the circuit opening relay. Not at term 5 though. I am getting it at term 3.

    Also, no continuity from EFI term 3 to COR term 1 or 5.

    & I have to add here, I am totally confused. In my looking up the relay diagrams, term 3 is the top horizontal one, making 5 the bottom one. However, I see a w-r wire running to “3”, yet the wiring manual stated it should be at 5.

    All that to say, no continuity from B+ to whatever term B+ that is.

    Still no continuity between EFI terms 1&2 at the box. Neither am I getting it at the COR terms 1&2.

    I am losing .82v at EFI term 1, key on. When I jump 3&5 this goes to .90. I would expect this .08 to happen.

    When I pull the IGN fuse, the voltage at EFI term 1 normalizes.

    Also, there is no voltage present at STA fuse.

    I have been informed that the wiring FSM is a good guide for troubleshooting ing, so if my take on what it’s stating is an open circuit is correct, then I guess that’s at least one thing I am looking at. Evidence being no continuity between B+ terms.
     
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  15. Mar 7, 2023 at 3:49 PM
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    Think I’m giving up for now. I’ve spent countless hours on it. I finally realized that I had been swapping 3 & 5. In fact it was right there in front of my mug in the FSM all along. So anyway, that discounts the lack of continuity at B+. Which is fine.

    @TnShooter had mentioned an amperage test for the EFI. I look up how to do this. Not much info on it out there. I try it & get nothing.

    Still have .82v which jumps to over a volt with relay in unaccounted for. I put a wire in at term 1 to check.

    oh, & I can jump the EFI at the box with no key. & I can faintly hear it when I put the relay in. I thought the pump only activated with key. Apparently I was incorrect.

    still no cel.
     
  16. Mar 7, 2023 at 8:16 PM
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    I don’t recall anything about an amperage test?
    But a voltage drop test is usually on technique used to diagnose bad wiring.
     
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  17. Mar 7, 2023 at 9:19 PM
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    My bad. It was someone else who mentioned it.
    Ok. Think I can handle that one.
     
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    so from pos term at battery to term 1 (load) at EFI (wire wrapped around it, so relay is in), engine started, using min/max function, I get 1.17v drop.

    I get the same by just putting the key in the start position.

    so I moved the lead off the post & started checking other things, the fuses, under the hood & below, 1, 2 & 5 of the power outlet relay, everything was giving back a reading of at least 1 volt.
    STA read 10.8

    However, ECU-IG thru Gauge (pic below) were reading about .98-ish & when I went back with the lead just on the pos terminal, they each had .17-ish, so these were really .8 or so. I imagine not affected by the EFI being activated.

    So now what? This wire from the EFI is a loner, in that it goes straight back to the ECU.
    I had tested it for continuity & it passed.
    I tested for voltage & it’s down the 1.17.

    I read up on doing these tests & it stated to keep moving the lead. Do I keep going & how do I know when I’ve arrived?

    or do I start with checking that wire? I mean taking things apart?

    Diagram (EFI, etc) is a couple of posts back.

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