4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

Hopefully we’ll know soon. What cracks me up is the guys here that say the Highlander is a piece of crap minivan. Then when a similar engine is going in the Tacoma it’s now the greatest engine ever made.

 

I heard the release of the 4th Gen has been set back.
Something with what type oil is best to use in the engine?

 

Eih

Call it an order or don't call it an order, I walked into my dealer and got the truck I wanted. They had a red at premium allocated, they turned that into a white or mt base with bsm and 360 camera. The only hangup was it would be 360 camera or led headlights, not both.

I don't care what once calls it, I "ordered" my truck.

 

This is all getting harder to predict with mass electrification just around the corner. How many current V6 owners will trade out of their truck early for an I4-Turbo that has modest performance and efficiency gains at the potential cost of reliability and longevity? Personally, I intend to skip the I4 and wait for the (plug-in?) hybrid or fully electrified version. Will be interesting to see the sales numbers for the I4 versus hybrid. Hope they make enough of the latter.

 

Dealers can trade their allocations. If you asked the dealer for that, they didn’t send a build order to Toyota to make it. They were already planning on making it and the truck was routed to them.

 

Can confirm. Have one in my F-150 and it’s crap.

 

https://toyota-club.net/files/faq/21-09-20_faq_t24-engine_en.htm

Very technical document of the T24A-FTS engine. The 2.4l turbo I4 expected to be in the next gen Tacoma.

It's already used in the Highlander, crown, and lexus suv

275 hp at 6,000 rpm
317 lb⋅ft at 1,700–3,600 rpm

Current 3.5l V6
278 hp at 6000 rpm
265 ft-lbs at 4600 rpm

2nd gen 4.0l V6
237 hp at 5200 rpm
266 lb⋅ft at 4000 rpm

There is speculation the new Tacoma will also get the hybird max version of this powerplant. In a Toyota press release for the new Grand Highlander it stated the 2.4l hybrid max will make 362hp and 400ft-lbs of torque.

To put that into perspective the 5.7l iforce V8 in the 2nd gen Tundra makes 381hp and 400ft-lbs. Which was great when it came out in 2007... not so much now...

 

Hybrid max sounds good. As much peak torque as an F-150 Coyote V8 at 1/3rd the rpm, in a 1000 lb lighter vehicle.

 

That’s really not putting anything into perspective.

Turbo 4cyl and a NA V-8 are apples and oranges. The 5.7 still puts down respectable numbers for a V-8.

 

The 5.7 is such a solid engine durability wise. That being said those power numbers aren’t great in 2023 for an engine with that much displacement. Hard to justify averaging 13 mpg when you can have a ttv6 average 20 and make 583 torque and 437 hp.

 

Any word on if they plan on putting the LFA engine in the 4th gen? I think it'd be a perfect match.

Happy April everyone! If only it were Friday

 

I look forward to all the posts in here today and some people believing it all.

 

I think the argument about power between a v6 and a turbo-4 are moot. They're both going to supply the power to pull what these trucks are rated to, get mediocre gas mileage, at best...and neither are going to win a race - especially assuming they're in a Tacoma. The Tacoma has never been about winning a race.

I think focusing on reliability is valid however. While you can't guarantee a 3.5 outlasts a turbo-4...I think the likelihood is higher that it will. I think the largest concern is the number of refinements and iterations the 3.5 has been able to go through over the years to increase its longevity and reliability...whereas any turbo-4 slapped into the chassis is going to be relatively unproven or, at the very least, in need of those years of refinements.

I think that the argument of the turbo-4 performing better in higher elevations is also very valid. While I don't experience higher elevations myself, I understand the struggle.

 

The non turbo A25A is in its 7th year and will be fine in most Tacomas.
As far as the T24A goes, it may be new (2021) but it IS basically a Lexus engine, that Toyota feels is OK to put in the flagship Crown. I suspect Toyota tested the bejeezus out of it before releasing it.

 

Not to discredit your logic, but taking a Camry engine and putting it into a RWD platform, while exposing the engine to different loads constantly - is certainly not the same as saying "oh well it's a 7 year old engine". We get that...but it's an entirely different application with different housings, parts, loads, bolt-ons, seals and so on. Sure, no one expects the pistons to blow up (although in some cases they certainly will). It's always "this metal surface" that's "mated to and sealed with this surface that reacts differently to heat" that causes the problems. In writing, it sounds simple, but when the seal requires a completely R&R of the entire engine, things get more complicated.

And as far as "testing the bejeezus" out of something - there's quite a difference, in practice, when there's 250k of them rolling down the road every single year. You just can't "test that" effectively - or at least it hasn't gone through the same iterations of that "testing" and refinement that the tried and true 3.5L has. Again, no one is hoping that the engine fails (well very few are). Everyone believes Toyota tested things as much as possible. Everyone believes Toyota will put out the most reliable new configuration that it is capable of putting out...It's just a very valid area for concern and argument.

 

Nail on the head - Reliability and resale are the top two reasons I'm in a Toyota and hopefully will continue to be in the next generation.
I suspect polls would show many buyers feel the same way... unless we're talking about the JD Power awards Chebby pays for, that's shenanigans at the highest level
Bottom line - Toyota engineers have a history of designing stuff that lasts, and if it doesn't Toyota stands behind it. A 4cyl with a whirly whoo should be no exception.

 

According to this: https://www.autoguide.com/auto-news...r-adopts-turbo-power-better-infotainment.html

the 275hp/317tq figures are for the Lexus using 91 octane fuel. On regular unleaded (87 octane I presume) as in the Highlander, it lists the numbers as 265hp/309tq.
The article doesn't say whether the 265/309 is a hard-coded de-tune, or if you can get yourself about a 3-4% boost any time you choose to, just by running a tank of premium.

On a related note, and FWIW, this video from yesterday claims to have info on the 2024 Tacoma from a Toyota insider (engine info starts at 5:43): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adecbGXMQHc

 

Your point is valid

I will add that the engine is used in the Lexus RX 500h F Sport Performance AWD, well a hybridized version that make 366hp and 406ft-lbs . If Toyota has confidence in putting in there top of the line Lexus SUV that actually weighs more then the Tacoma (4750lbs vs 4650lbs of a trd pro) then I think it will be fine.

 

I hear Toyota decided today to scrap the turbo and just use the 4.0 from the 4Runner. The perfect combo of Power and reliability.

 

I seriously hope they have a PHEV at least. After driving a EV for more than a month now, I can’t go back to ICE for a daily driver. I can’t deal with having to go the gas station, or the unbearable noise from a fart can I4 or V6. The power per equivalent fuel cost is real deal breaker for me.