4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

Houses in most areas have nearly doubled in price n the last 5 years, so much so that I’ve not been able to buy a house that wasn’t falling down.

Wages have not doubled, I wish mine had but I still wouldn’t be at 300k

 

This exactly. Living in the Seattle area, I've been fortunate enough to be in a position to buy a house ~4 years ago when interest rates were still reasonable. I wouldn't be comfortable buying a house now.

 

Seems like everyday now, after seeing the 2024 Tacoma pics today I was leaning towards optimism it will look and be awesome and may jump into one as a beta tester, but then I jump in the Tundra group and probably wait to see others issues first.

 

I wonder if the Trailhunter edition will come with an extended range fuel tank?

 

I’d rather have it fail within the power train warranty than outside of it. Engine parts fail, and vehicle enthusiast sites are like Yelp: full of complaints.

 

I was here for the 2016, and had one, was an early adopter with what your describing and saw some of those “new model minor issues”. Been following the tundra groups since they arrived on lots, not even close to just new model growing pains at least for Toyota, lots of build quality issues and issues with powertrain that are more than just a handful of complainers. Perfect storm of post Covid manufacturing and an all new truck with Toyota trying to keep up with the domestics and resting on its reputation.

 

That would be rad! even more rad if it was available on all trims. idk if the tundra allows it on all trims, but its an option on the limited.

 

Honestly who cares about the trail edition. Lol. Everyone here acting like they gunna drop 65k on a Tacoma.

 

I’m a hard pass on any new model vehicles. I don’t have time to deal with vehicle issues.

 

And then go beat on it in the woods.

 

Looking at the Trail Hunter I wonder why everyone wants red tow hooks. Making a big deal of those things seems strange to me. I'd paint those things black as soon as I got them.

 

Same. I'm not interested in the trail hunter package, but from the tailgate and the headlight pic, I have hopes for the 4th gen, that TRD PRO nasty tailgate had me a bit worried.

 

Thats just the housing, I dont think its gonna have the same LED horseshoe, just look at the new Tundras.

 

Probably because the ones on the Rubicons are red. Same with a few others like the ram rebel.

 

Skewp, think it’s photoshopped/render.

Tge gap between headlamp and grill is too small. Plus looks like a Rav4 front end IMO.
Non official…

Official…

 

Where did you scrape that picture from?

 

FB

 

Good point. My thoughts exactly, but they don't exactly show the corners where the BSM might be located. The 23 Tundras still have bumper mount BSM.

Also, if you zoom in on the pro tailgate, there are dimples similar on the top of the trailhunter bumper, so maybe the pro will get the metal bumper too.

As to the oval cutouts, one might speculate they're for additional lighting.

 

Looks like it came from here…

they show the turn signals working but again I think it’s photoshopped/rendered of what they think the signal will be… the main headlamp bulb/led has had the highlights pulled all the way back IMO.



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9NgLqedohdc

 

Wow, holy page number increase. Really great the mods were ready to create a new 4th generation subforum, instead of waiting until next year (some forums refuse to create a next generation subforum until the first user gets an order put in).

I am really embarrassed I misunderstood this February 14th conversation at a Troy, MI restaurant to mean a full reveal of the 2024 Tacoma. (Context is everything, but it's great to see something is finally official.) Per my source 2/14/23:

"So...what are you guys doing with the Ranger? We'll be making a press announcement on the new Tacoma the first week of April! Can't tell ya the exact date! Are you guys gonna beat us to it on the Ranger?"

My spouse of course immediately tried to shut me up from answering her question on Ranger plans and then changed the subject. I didn't get to ask her any further details and ended up taking what she said above, to mean April reveal. One other person even mentioned "April 5th", so you can see where I put that together and ended up running to online PMs, passing this info around during February and March. Whether Toyota actually planned to reveal the truck and something went wrong last minute, cancelling those plans, who honestly knows? Someone did hint at there some issues during hybrid testing, but that's really too late in the game to be true. They're in tooling tests by now I expect.

That being said, I am really pissed at Toyota for not learning from last time with the Tundra and doing this BS again. Personally, I would like to know what we got right and more importantly what to ultimately expect sooner than later, after 4-6 damn years of following this project. I understand that Toyota feel they need to reduce the gap, between full volume customer deliveries and vehicle reveal, but come on...

The person in charge of the ultimate date in question, is making the Toyota USA social media managers on FB and IG look really stupid with the endless coy comments they have to keep making, in order to keep curious people at bay and still hooked on. It's annoying, but I feel for them, as I figure that decision is definitely not theirs, being lower on the totem pole. That being said, it is still ANNOYING in terms of some obvious lies being stated in digital print and better for them to plainly not answer certain questions, with any false suggestions. It hurts trust in my opinion. Perhaps they should learn the meaning of soon.

Although some of you keep alluding to May 10th due to some teaser (which I cannot see from Adam LOL) on April 4th, I think your best case scenario is Toyota's annual HQ Confidential around June 1st. Typically Toyota unveils several of next year's models, in anticipation of that Plano event for journalists/vloggers and influencers.

This was the case with the 2022 Tacoma and 4Runner on June 2, 2001, during the 2021 event. (2)






In May 2022, they did it again with the 2023 MY 4Runner and Tacomas being revealed ahead of the 2022 HQ Confidential on June 1, 2022.



https://pressroom.toyota.com/2023-toyota-tacoma-adds-new-sr5-sx-and-chrome-packages/


This event will be happening again in less than 2 months. Is this where it gets revealed in full? Maybe not.

I've also heard even worse, but through a relative who follows trucks like I do and came across a comment from a gal who claims to work for Toyota and said she late June of 2023. He asked her to verify and she apparently stook by it. She dismissed April reveal claims and turns out to be right, so far.

I'm not going to repeat her name here for privacy reasons, but a late June at a standalone reveal event doesn't sound out of the ordinary unfortunately. Plus, why not start teasing such a vehicle exactly 3 months before you intend to reveal it?

That's really your worst case scenario for reveal and if she is correct, probably the real deal. I can see Toyota not wanting to reveal the truck more than half a year before first deliveries circa January 2024. Quite stupid to me personally, but with supply chain issues and limited stock, they probably don't want vehicles being revealed 9 months early anymore.

Toyota USA revealed the 2023 Sequoia on January 25, 2022, which went on sale in October 2022 (delays). Yet unveiled the 2022 Tundra on September 19, 2021 and launched it in mid-December 2021 (April 2022 for i-ForceMax hybrids). I had hoped like the Corolla GR revealed April 1, 2022 and released in October 2022, the 2024 Tacoma would be revealed in April 2023 for next year's edition. My source of the April date clearly was honest, but I obviously didn't understand what she said.

I really hope you all don't h

Sorry for the late reply, been very occupied and unable to log in.

I don't think I'm in a good place to make reliable predictions on several Toyota vehicles going forward, unless the source of my info is well intentioned. For example, I don't call myself a Toyota insider, even if I am sometimes referred to being one. I am not a Toyota insider, since I do not work for them anymore and haven't for more than a decade. I am an outsider like everyone else here, with better reach to some insiders due to my professional proximity and social circle. To be frank, I don't think Tacoma World has any TMNA corporate insiders. At best it's just suppliers and dealers. You have some of us with insight of sorts, but we are not insiders at all if our name badge at work isn't made by TMNA and associated Toyota facilities.

I should've said that a long time ago to clear things up, but I didn't think much of it before. To my knowledge, only 1 user in TW history (LOL) was a Toyota insider and part of the team developing the 2016 Tacoma under the 989A Program from 2012 to 2015. Not the case today unfortunately with 920B, which is why I worked harder to guide discussion in absence of any Toyota people on here.

If I cannot trust my existing Toyota sources from November to March and whatever they seem to have "shared" with me, then yes I am convinced the manual is gone. I might have two different sides of "insiders" saying otherwise, but I am once again (like before December 2022) not convinced of manual continuation and in that case, not interested in another Tacoma.

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I take it, someone working for a Toyota dealer as a GM and has been shown the vehicle privately, has no reason to lie to me, compared to anyone at TMNA or TTC who sees an outsider (me) as a threat and might lie to protect their proprietary information from snooping eyes (me). That GM knows I am not buying another 3G Tacoma, so it's pointless to trick me into getting another. I can afford any Tacoma I want, but I'm quite happy with my 2020 and have zero plans to replace it if this is true.

I can see why some users on this forum can be cynical towards some of my posts, because you can never be 100% certain on development insight until they go official. Even if Jack Hollis himself, Vice President of Sales at TMNA told me about any Tacoma plans quietly, I can't say I would trust him either at this point. The intent matters. Particularly if I cannot verify his information to be true without any doubts and if he has no obligation to be honest with me. I admit, I shot myself in the foot in being often one-sided regarding info sharing (often withheld my Ford insight while asking for Toyota/Lexus info from them)

With '24 MY info and TNGA-F knowledge, I was able to be certain all this time per timeline, due to not just Toyota, but independent industry source information validating those claims of mine in multiples, without me needing solely Toyota for that confirmation. Everything else, I am very dependent on insiders to relay to me and it is hit or miss, based on their intentions and access of the employees in question.

Always learning new lessons everyday, as I am youngish and not exactly a decades long industry veteran, at barely over a decade's experience in my field. Luckily never been subject to any reprimands, as a company is entitled to its privacy and when I previously covered Bronco development, it was 100x worse in terms of risk and outright violation of NDA.

It is never good to rely on just one source, if that person can lie for ulterior motives and has limited access.

Anyway, to answer the other question. I do use this handle, as I've had my thoughts regarding future use of it. I'd have to retire from the industry in order to make that viable. Cannot be doing this in a greater capacity, if I am beholden to NDAs and not necessarily a neutral entity. My work concerns Dearborn, but I have no loyalties in terms of voting with my wallet and that explains why I am here and in many non-Ford spaces.

The midsize SUVs are keeping full-time AWD and are not taking a page out of the Sequoia. Both vehicles have a strong focus on off-roading, unlike the Sequoia which apparently splits that difference. I cannot comment on the 2025 4Runner, since I'm not aware of the details on that.

Haha, I appreciate that greatly my man. I mean well and anyone who cannot see that, don't know what to tell them. I wanted other owners to be a bit less cynical, in knowing that Toyota was ready to move forward on a new truck sooner than later and wanted to ensure it was universally known, plus kept on track as best as possible. I admit I got bent out of shape, in a lot of us repeating ourselves, but I'm used to the blowhards anyway LOL. Whether at truck meets or events, hell, even at work LOL.

I really resent Toyota now for dragging this out once again, but I do get it in terms of launch being most likely January of next year. I'm not believing the bullcrap on Summer/Fall launch, which definitely isn't even based on Job 1 dates out there for MY 2024 of Nov/December 2023. Ramping up production takes time in terms of months.

Toyota wants to keep certain information private as close as possible to expected first deliveries. I say this, as a similar theory is in play at my employer...

The 2024 Land Cruiser is an interesting vehicle, but not what Toyota wants to keep hyping it as. I really get sick of internal folk BSing at times. Really great vehicles in the GX and Land Cruiser, but still too sophisticated by comparison in my opinion and the price will reflect it too unfortunately for most folks, with the latter.

Thanks! Quite sorry about the non-reveal though... (I should learn how to listen to context better).

Honestly, I think I've explained the context of that hopefully, while respectfully redacting identifying info. Plus much more many times over. We don't have any Toyota insiders here, as in people who work directly for Toyota. At best, some of us talk to those people and not all of them are willing to share accurate info, putting them at risk. Appreciate you all greatly, who mean well. I think I need to stop getting into unnecessary drama and souring the mood here. Let's just focus on the future of whatever Toyota seems to be doing here.

LOL, don't you know it? I understand some people being pissed, in looking forward to April 4th...SMH. I unfortunately couldn't catch her context of "press announcement" not equaling "full reveal". I thought I was being clever just listening to her ramble on, without exposing my own curiosity in asking her for more details. Bit me in the ass again, as it's best to clarify context and not assume you know 100%.

Only Toyota does this BS anyway and specifically with overaged vehicles like the 2G-3G Tacoma and 2G Tundra, in competitive segments. They didn't do this with the 15 year old Sequoia, so not sure why this long drag out is so necessary for the Tacoma. Really need to quit it. If they weren't going to reveal it last week and clearly not this month either, I wish they just would've shut up and waited until 10-14 days out. Not several weeks to months out. We're all exhausted here and tired of the shenanigans.