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I wouldn't worry about it. For low speed charging j1772 is the standard here and is supported by SAE. Tesla is the only weird one. For home charging (L1 or L2 it's stupid easy to adapt since the input power isn't crazy. Just get a dryer outlet in the garage and you are pretty much covered without worry.

DC fast charging is a bit different but for non-Tesla CCS is pretty much the defacto standard and it is the one supported by SAE, and iirc it is THE standard for Europe. Tesla is different here and doesn't use CCS, but their network is the best and you can adapt from CCS to Tesla so other chargers work too

 

I know just enough about electricity to be dangerous. But, charging an 80 Kwh battery in 5 minutes from 10 - 80% is going to be interesting. You have to move 60 kwh's worth of electrons. With my Model Y it takes about 30 minutes to do that big of a charge at a 250 Kw supercharger. To do the same task in 5 minutes is going to take 1,500 Kw at 2,800 volts. My personal belief is that's never going to happen. The current 480 volts is serious, 2,800 volts is insane.

There isn't a normal house in America that could support the numbers above or for that matter many businesses. And the point is stupid any way for home charging. The common internet "advice" from non-EV owners is you need giga-amps to charge your car which is just bullshit. Yeah, yeah, there are wonky made up edge cases that impact 3 people in the world. But most people sleep at some point during the day and as long as the charge for the days driving can be completed in 8-10 hours more amps are simply unnecessary. In my case I charge my Tesla at 240V 20 amps. That gets the charging job done easily in the time allotted.

Statements like 5 minute charging are simply FUD to keep the wary buyer on the sidelines because they think that charging an EV is like buying gas, something that you do ever week or so. The reality is home charging completely changes the game for EV ownership. Imagine if you had a house elf that took your truck to the gas station every night while you slept and filled it up. Every day you'd wake up and never have to give a thought to how much gas you had. Well, I have that house elf and his name is JSI. I plug the car in and as if by magic the car is fully charged in the morning. I give charging my car the same level of thought I give my electric tooth brush, I just put it on the charger and forget about it until I need it again.

The reason for 50 amp service being the biggest is there is no need for anything bigger. A modern electric range typically uses 40 amps with some higher end ranges going up to 50 amps. Modern dryers and air conditioners are 30 amps. When you charge an EV you have to down rate the amps by 20% because it is a continuous draw over hours. So, the max amps you can use to charge an EV on a 50 amp circuit is 40 amps. Using a mobile charger on my Tesla maxes out at 32 amps, and I further limit that to 20 amps because more is definitely not better when charging.

^this^

And 10 years in the future you will still be able to use the charging infrastructure installed 10 years ago. The NEMA standards, including the NEMA 14-50 we all know and love to plug our ranges and EV's into, were published 70+ years ago and they are literally never going to go away.

 

I know little about the subject, but I'd have to guess that even if the garage had its own panel you still won't get 5 minute charging either. Nor do you really need that at home.

Long ago and different app/tech, I remember RC vehicle chargers had the option of fast charge (about 15 min) or trickle (8 hours). It was recommended to do the trickle periodically for longer overall battery life.

 

As you said, not really needed, but to your point, no, there will never be 5 minute charging at home. Currently a DC Fast Charger is around 250KW, a 200amp home panel itself cannot deliver more than 44KW to the WHOLE HOUSE (A normal dryer outlet is around 8KW). So "fast" chargers today, which take about 20 minutes to half fill a battery, use about six times more electricity than a good sized home panel can even provide. A five minute charger would be roughly 1000KW of juice, or about 22 times more juice than your home panel can support.

With EVs, due to the very high expense of the batteries, it is recommended to "trickle charge" whenever possible. Even using fast chargers isn't terribly detrimental to battery life but it may be the difference between having 75% capacity in 10 years as opposed to 90% capacity in 10 years if you charge almost exclusively at home. That said, many chargers up town are only around 50KW, not the 150, 250, or even 350kw that "Fast" chargers are, so they are not as rough on the batteries.

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/9587791/electric-vehicle-weight-safety-risk/

 

Tesla ride report - So, the other day I rode in two ubers. I've never used uber so the whole thing was new to me. When you schedule the ride they give you a bunch of options so I chose green. I was hoping for something other than a Tesla, but that's what I got both times. It wasn't all bad because I got to talk with the drivers about their cars. One ride was a 2021 Model 3 with 105K miles on the clock. The ride was tight and quite without a rattle to be heard. I honestly was surprised at how good it looked. The driver said the car hasn't had one problem and loved it. He also lives in an apartment complex that provides free charging. Think about that, drive uber and the juice is free. The second car was a 2022 Model 3 with 45K on the clock. This car had Full Self Driving and this was the first time I'd ever ridden in a Tesla with that option. After watching it in action I'm seriously thinking about paying the $200 for the monthly subscription on my next trip.

 

Teslas fsd is confusing to me. It offers so little over what autopilot provides, or seems to anyways.

And the price! The subscription isn't bad, but the outright purchase is insane at $15,000. That has to be Teslas common "we will just raise the price so you don't buy it" and not that they feel it actually has that value. I don't see how it could be anything else

 

Free electricity or free gas I still wouldn't want to drive uber.

 

Hired my first Uber last month and chose a Green Uber. Lot's of EV's around here so next time would be nice to get an iOnic5 or Rivian R1S

 

I've heard many times that FSD will allow you to turn your car into a robo taxi and have it make money for you when you don't need the car. So that's why it's worth $15K, if you want to own a taxi business. I on the other hand, do not want to own a taxi business, and $15K is stupid money for how I use my car. It would seem simple enough to create a tiered model where the price for FSD is $2K and $15K if you want to charge money as a taxi.

That said, I think I'm going to pony up the $200 for the FSD subscription on my next road trip. I think autopilot is the second best feature of the car, but it can't change lanes. Long freeway trips consist of turning autopilot on and off as you pass slower moving traffic. The car I rode in didn't have the FSD beta, but it did change lanes on the freeway pretty well.

 

I'm curious as well, my nephew was talking about getting the monthly sub to check it out

 

Put the Tesla on a Chargepoint charger this morning.

Me, to the girlfriend: "How much is it per mile, anyway?"
Her: "Dunno. I'll check later."

90 minutes later...

Her: "99 cents for 25 miles."
Me: "Wow, that would've cost way more in gas in the truck. Granted, in the time it took us to charge 25 miles, I could've filled the tank and driven over a hundred."

On the bright side, we have an excuse to get some ice cream while we continue to wait.

 

Who says EVs can't drive cross country?

 

Ignorant people.

 

Tesla isn't in a good place as an auto manufacturer at the moment. Cutting prices to stay competitive, and losing profit as a result. When the economy is performing the best it has in the past few years.
https://fortune.com/2023/05/07/warren-buffett-elon-musk-tesla-ev-makers/

 

Certainly not me. Last year I visited Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Kansas, Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas, Missouri, Illinois, Alberta and British Columbia. For a total of 15K road tripping miles.

This year is off to a slow start, I've only gone about 1,200 miles road tripping. But, there is a big trip 6,000 mile trip coming up soon. If someone tries to tell you you can't road trip a Tesla, laugh straight in their face.

 

I have said in the past they may not be as ideal, but I also have never contemplated such much less looked into charging availability

 

https://www.plugshare.com/

https://abetterrouteplanner.com/

It's interesting looking up various routes with different vehicles. There are dramatic differences to say the least

 

Very cool, I suspected there would be something like this by now if not much before.

 

ABRP is interesting because it uses the charge rate curve of the car to give a better estimate. In any EV they charge the fastest near the bottom and then the charging slows down the closer it gets to 100%. ABRP generates these charge curves specific to each vehicle and then plots chargers to minimize your time spent waiting.