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What if it's a CA restricted handgun? Just playing devils advocate.

 

Do they restrict certain guns? G45, 17 rd magazine is not an AK47. I probably could not hold good aim after 4 rapid shots.

BTW, called today and a sheriff deputy (I guess) essentially confirmed "gun and ammo in separate locked cases, cases out of reach (I guess of anyone)".

 

Hate to admit it but I'm a former CA resident. Yes, they restrict certain handguns up to the point I left that shithole (2019). I can't remember what exactly is restricted, but I'm sure you can find it. What I remember is any gen 5 Glock is restricted and any handgun that holds more than 10 rounds is restricted... because its scary apparently...

 

the mere possession or transport of a restricted or banned firearm, can be illegal, even if you’re a visitor. this varies from state to state. ca is not friendly.

it may also depend on why your firearm is restricted in the state and what jurisdiction you’re in. so, have a mag that holds 10+ rounds? may not be an issue. have a suppressor or machine gun? might be an issue.

 

OK ... now I will ask what seems a stupid question. Back in 2020 I read at least magazines in NC before I decided on G45 ... short barrel, long grip/magazine. But the MOS option mentioned to me earlier is a slide design I do not have on my G45.

So, my G45 has a 17 rd magazine, but does not have a Gen 5 slide. What does that mean?

That other post slipped in ... time for another phone call, probably to the CCW team of CA sheriff because they know more than average deputy. Not that I am belligerently bucking the system, but to know how things may be if I want to take it into UT or CO or NM.

 

those three states honor az ccw if you have one, btw.

 

If you're that worried about it just don't bring it.... Otherwise just keep it out of sight. If you have to pull it, you have bigger issues to worry about. Don't advertise that you have guns and no one is going to even know.

 

I know I must tell LEO if asked. And I also have accepted that if I ever must fire it in defense, regardless of the state I am in at the time, things have become very complicated (even if I have cause to).

Not my current focused effort, but wanted to find out if CA had such restrictive rules.

 

exactly. even if you are using it for a legal purpose, you can still be charged for illegal possession.

 

Im dealing with this same situation right now for my cross country road trip. New York state is even worse than California when it comes to hand guns. Sucks that I have to bring a long gun in an RV just to get around stupid NY hand gun laws.

 

If you go thru IL, that is the worst state in the nation to screw you over for having a handgun. I make the trip back to NY every couple of years to hunt. I carry a copy of the national firearms transportation rules with me. In essence, as long as you are not a prohibited possessor in the state you depart, or the state of destination, you are approved to be in possession in a state in which you would otherwise not be allowed to have it. NY was the state that lost the case to set the precendent, I was told. But IL is a problematic state in that it presumes guilt (with regards to possession). So, I fuel up in Missouri and do not stop anywhere in IL so that I could show my intent to abide by the national rules (my only reason to stop in IL would be because of LE). The national rules say (again, in essence) that the weapon must be locked in a separate compartment from the ammunition required to fire it, and "out of reach" from any occupants. So I carry it unloaded in a locked hardcase inside my cab, buried under jackets/luggage/etc. I keep my ammo in a separate container in my bed (or trunk area if I take the SUV). When I stop for the night (I do the trip in 2.5 days), the ammo goes into the cab of the truck, and the gun goes into my hotel room.

My methodology is based on a conversation I had with an employee of the federal agency who would get the call from local authorities if I was ever stopped and questioned.

Reasonableness is the standard in court. Be reasonable in why you did what you did, and most prosecutors and judges will be reasonable in handling your case (read: decline prosecution).

Mimic at your own risk.

 

You’re under no obligation to tell LEO anything.

 

This x2

Follow the laws to the best of your knowledge / ability, of course.

But to be honest, unless you get pulled for criminal speed, DUI, or street racing, the vast majority of traffic stops do not involve a vehicle search. Be polite, bite your tongue, and get through the traffic stop and on with your day.

 

Illinois is actually much more lax about non-residents possessing hand guns than New York. In New York you are literally not allowed to stop for longer than gas or a meal if you have a hand gun in your vehicle and if it is found you have to prove that you came from out of state and are headed out of state essentially same day. From what Ive researched you better have hotel or campground reservations in bordering states with dates that match your travel or you are going to jail. If you get caught of course. You are not allowed to stay overnight in the entire state while possessing a hand gun. In Illinois you are allowed to have it unloaded, in a locked container, out of reach of the driver etc and you are allowed to stay over night.

Illinois
"Yes, anyone with an Illinois CCL may keep or carry a loaded or unloaded concealed firearm on or about his or her person. Non-residents may transport a loaded concealed handgun in a vehicle if they are in possession of a valid CCW permit from their home state. Non-residents from states that allow for either concealed and/or open carry without a license are not required to produce a license provided they are;

• Not prohibited under federal law; and
• They are eligible to carry in their home state.

[430 Ill. Comp. Stat. § 66/10(h) and Illinois State Police Law Bulletin – August 2018 ]

If non-residents leave their vehicles unattended, they must store the firearm within a locked vehicle or locked container within the vehicle. The firearm (and any ammunition):

• Must be stored out of plain view within the vehicle; and
• May be carried in the immediate area surrounding the vehicle only for the limited purpose of storing or retrieving a firearm within the vehicle's trunk.

[430 Ill. Comp. Stat. § 66/40(e)]"

New York
"Yes, based upon the terms of a NYPL only. It is legal to transport a legal firearm through New York under Federal interstate transportation law 18 USC § 926A provided the handgun is unloaded, with neither the firearm nor any ammunition readily accessible from the passenger compartment. In the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment, the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. If you don't have a NYPL and happen to stop at a motel overnight, then you are in violation of the law and subject to arrest if found with a firearm.

Although a state license to carry a handgun is generally invalid in New York City, a license is valid if the firearm covered by the license:

• Has been purchased from a licensed dealer within the city of New York and is being transported out of the city immediately from the dealer by the licensee in a locked container during a continuous and uninterrupted trip; or
• Is being transported by the licensee in a locked container and the trip through the city of New York is continuous and uninterrupted.

[N.Y. Pen. Law § 400.00(6)(b)]"

 

It depends on the state youre in. Certain states, South Carolina for example, you have a duty to inform. I get what you're saying about "normal traffic stops dont usually end in a search" but everyone has a different comfort level when it comes to this kind of thing and the best way to handle it is to know the laws. Just blatantly saying "You’re under no obligation to tell LEO anything" is a dangerous mindset.

 

exactly. each jurisdiction is different. it’s not correct to state you don’t have to tell leo if you have a firearm. however, it can also depend on who initiated the leo contact and under what circumstances. i’m ex-leo with formal education in criminal, civil and commercial law.

 

for those who are concerned about traveling out of state, look into the various state laws regarding possession, visiting in that state and safe passage (passing through the state).

 

The insurance guy is also the former LEO guy ha, thats some valuable experience you have! All the different hand gun laws are essentially impossible to keep up with which is why I decided to bring a shotgun and no handguns in the RV on my cross country trip. From what I can tell long guns are acceptable in every state and you can even get into Canada with them.

 

correct