Manual transmission Fan Club and BS thread (All Generations Welcome)

OP checking in. Been absent a long time but saw the news of the MT in the 4th gen and figured I better drop in and celebrate with all of you.

What @Shellshock said with the torque numbers is music to my ears!

 

My worry is that the manuals will still be unicorns and that most metropolitan dealers will tack on a premium (extra charge) above MSRP. You can't find a manual in the greater Los Angeles area without $5k+ over MSRP.
Probably still won't find a 2WD manual either...but hoping Toyota turns a corner on this.

 

SR MT was last produced in 2017.

That's..... Been a thing with Tacos since 2012.

 

That’s just what I’ve seen so far. I don’t really believe anything 100% until I see the brochure from Toyota.

 

I was unclear on the release info. Can you get the manual in the Pro and Trailhwak? Or just in the TRD offroad?

 

Source is Motor Trend, so who knows....

• Base 2.4-liter turbo (SR only), 228 hp/243 lb-ft and eight-speed auto
• i-Force 2.4-liter turbo, 270 hp/310 lb-ft and six-speed manual
• i-Force 2.4-liter turbo, 278 hp/317 lb-ft and eight-speed auto
• i-Force Max 2.4-liter turbo hybrid, 326 hp/465 lb-ft and eight-speed auto

• SR (XtraCab, Double Cab) - Base engine standard, available with the i-Force/six-speed manual combination, leaf springs, twin-tube shocks, 17-inch wheels
• SR5 (XtraCab, Double Cab) - i-Force engine, multilink rear on Double Cab, leaf springs on XtraCab, twin-tube shocks, 17-inch wheels
• TRD PreRunner (XtraCab) - i-Force engine, 4x2 with electronically activated rear rocking differential, leaf-springs, front lift, twin-tube shocks, 17-inch wheels
• TRD Sport (Double Cab) - i-Force engine, (i-Force Max or iForce/manual transmission optional), red TRD sport tuned twin-tube shocks, TRD Sport 18-inch wheels
• TRD Off-Road (Double Cab) - i-Force engine (i-Force Max or i-Force/manual transmission optional), Bilstein monotube remote reservoir shocks, multi-terrain select, electronically activated rear locking differential, optional front stabilizer bar disconnect and 33-inch tires, composite skidplates, 17- or 18-inch black TRD wheels
• Limited (Double Cab) - i-Force engine (i-Force Max with full-time 4x4 optional), adaptive variable suspension, 18-inch chrome clad wheels, power running boards and tailgate
• TRD Pro (Double Cab) - i-Force Max standard, 2.5-inch Fox internal-bypass manual modal Quick Switch 3 shocks, red "TRD" forged aluminum upper control arms, IsoDynamic Performance seat, electronically activated rear locking differential, front stabilizer bar disconnect, aluminum front skidplate, Rigid LED foglamps, ARB steel rear bumper with red recovery hooks, 33-inch Goodyear Territory R/T tires, 18-inch black TRD Pro wheels

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024-toyota-tacoma-first-look-review

 

Sport and off-road is it I think. The pro and trail hawk have the hybrid power train only.

 

That's perfect for me. There will likely be better suspension options for far less than what the trailhawk and pro will be. It will be interesting to see the price of the offroad MT.

 

And the sway bar disconnect is awesome! Did anyone hear if the offroad has the wider wheelbase? I hope not. They keep making my small trucks bigger and bigger.

 

The wider track width seems to only be trailhunter and pro.

 

I wonder how the long term reliability of the turbo will be. Turbos seem to be the trend. At least the displacement of 2.4L seems good, and that Toyota still offers the manual transmission with the Tacoma. Some new vehicles have very small displacement turbo engines for the vehicle size.

 

Y'all keep forgetting. The SR will also have a 6-speed manual

It's trail hunter, not trailhawk. This isn't a Fiat.

Toyota have been doing reliable turbos for 50 years. These will be just fine.

Trail Hunter and possibly pro will have a 3-in wider track. Unclear if other ones will have that as an option or not.

 

I’m not worried. If you fall down the rabbit hole of toyota turbo development, the entire thing is super overbuilt

 

It will be interesting to see the SR manual pricing. That may be a great platform to build from.

 

Probably as obtainable as an MT Corolla used to be.

 

I think a turbo will be a problem with reliability and longevity. The more complex something is, generally you lose reliability and longevity.

 

What makes you think turbochargers are complex? Compared to an engine, turbochargers are stone-tool simple.

 

Turbos themselves aren't complex, but they add more complexity to other systems like pcv and vacuum pumps to operate peripherals, which makes it less reliable.

 

All those things already exist on our non-turbo engines.

Turbos are pretty commonplace technology at this point. Nobody really bats an eye at a diesel with 300k on it anymore and those turbos work a lot more than they would in something like a taco.

Plus, this is Toyota. It's always five years behind in features and "coolness" but makes up for it in exceptional reliability.

 

This is true, Toyota will do well with a gas turbo, I've had Chevys that weren't so good, 125K and it's done.