Turbo/Hybrid good for longevity and reliability?

I agree but we just don’t know how these 4Gen trucks will be in terms of reliability compared to second and first gen trucks yet. Time will tell.

 

See this is part of the problem.... Where are you getting that turbos last 150k? That's just completely made up, and for what reason?
And even if frames were replaced for free, you don't think that was a MAJOR headache for lots of owners?

 

It is not made up. Ford claims you should get at least 150K on their turbos. Maybe more is taken good care of. That is what I would try to do. I just feel bad if someone has to replace their turbo at 150K and then maybe the battery pack a couple years later. The cost will be large and those people will be pissed. Yes the frame replacement is a pain but most who keep their vehicles for a longtime worry about cost of ownership the most.

 

In a few years, there'll probably be plenty of used turbos for those that don't want to pay for new ones.

 

what about the things they don't need to worry about? so lets do some math:

someone buys a hybrid Tacoma at 150k, and according to you as soon as the odometer goes to 150,000 (or 150,001?) both the battery and turbo instantly fail. according to google the average cost to replace these are 1.3k for the turbo and 2k for the battery. so the new owner of the 150k Tacoma is out 3.3k.

lets be conservative and say the hybrid Tacoma gives you 4 MPG gain, over the next 150k miles or 10 years (assuming gas is at 3$ per gallon for the next 10 years) that is a savings of around 4k (more if gas goes up and vis-versa, and more for city driving). So the gas savings alone pays for both. oh but wait there is also less maintenance, lower displacement means less oil so you save cost of oil. you got no serpentine belt to worry about, your brake pads basically last forever, you don't have to worry about your 12v battery being low and not starting, it basically starts every time, you have a less stressed transmission, etcc..

the cons outweigh the pros IMO which is why Toyota engineers decided to proceed with this.

 

Maybe. Just maybe. But maybe.



Maybe.

 

Most folks don’t create a reserve fund for a new engine rebuild or battery. When the time comes for the expense, it’s gonna hurt.

 

This is a good video describing the new drivetrain on the tundra. Expecting similar setup, better numbers

https://youtu.be/oghwzU0FHbI

 

First off I never said at exactly 150K both would die. But someone could have to replace the turbo around 150K and around 190K on battery pack based on historical data on turbos and battery packs. If it will only be 3K to replace both as you say that would not be too bad. I need to go over what potential negative things the new systems in the Tacoma could cause. That is called a healthy process to figure out if some people should buy the new Gen. It is a work in progress. That is why I am asking questions. It is a process.

 

Based on historical data on turbos and hybrid battery packs it is more when than maybe. The engine will certainly outlive both the turbo and battery pack. Like I said before two new things to have to worry about that you didn’t before. Pretty common sense stuff actually

 

Data from where? The only thing that exists is anecdotal evidence from both sides people saying both last 300k then people saying 150k as far as I know there is no real “data”. You hear most about the latter before people vent about negative things online but not positive.

and I think it’s great your not blindly thinking this will be reliable and asking questions, questions are good especially if you got an open mind

 

One takeaway after watching this video when comparing to a hybrid rav4 or Prius setup...

This hybrid system isn't in use all the time like it is in Toyota's other hybrid systems. Battery not being used as much as a Prius. There is only one battery that can eventually fail, not two (cheaper cost to replace) and lastly, it doesn't seem to be the same battery setup as f150 (liquid cooling, lithium). Possibly less complicated. Seems like this setup is mostly for getting more power with the same or slightly better fuel efficiency as the non-hybrid. I personally am not overly concerned about longevity of this setup. But then again, I won't be buying the first year model I want to wait a few years and see how it performs in the real world. My 06 is still treating me well.

 

‘How about data from Ford for one. They say their turbo should last at least 150K. That is a warning of sorts. Meaning some could die around 150K. Maybe Toyota will claim at least 250K on their turbos. I doubt it. As far as battery packs the people I know were somewhere between 175-225K. 225 is pretty good. 175? Not so much. I feel I am just doing my due diligence here trying to figure out the risk vs reward. But you can tell when some start calling people names(not you) they simply just don’t want to hear it. Brings down the thrill of the new truck. Pretty common behavior in reality.

 

This could be promising for extended life of battery pack. Fingers crossed.

 

After a Google spree it seems ford wiped that off their site

https://media.ford.com/content/ford...-ford-focus-st-owners-turbocharged--dire.html

it no longer exist because ford deleted the press release, as you can see tho this was in 2010. It seems that they did not say they should last 150k they said AT LEAST 150k (Please correct if I’m wrong). Then people misquoted the one person who said it and used it as a negative to say they only last 150k. Which is why ford removed the article. Also this was 13 years ago, they more than likely last at least longer than 150k, technology constantly advances

hybrid battery I somewhat agree but I see them lasting until at least 200-250k which to me is good I don’t think many will fail pre 200k and most will make it to 250k but no one knows for sure

 

Thanks for the reasonable and practical conversation that helps me work through my process. Just trying to figure things out the best I can. You have to understand others were calling me a hater and telling me don’t worry Toyota knows what they are doing.

 

Change the oil at least every 3,000 and when 4th gen get’s over 150,000 every 2,000 miles. She will last like a V6.

 

I think your 4 MPG increase with the Hybrid is not conservative but extremely optimistic, the Tundra Hybrids only get a 1 MPG average increase over the regular turbo engine.

 

wow you weren’t lying I looked it up and it was 1-2 MPG gain for the tundra that is surprising. Tacoma might be 2-3 tops. Still think the hybrid would be the way to go if there isn’t any crazy markup for em

 

Its going to be available in the Pro and Trail Hunter Trims so it will be pricey. In the Sport and Off Road my guess is it will only be available with the Premium Package so will most likely be quite expensive too.