4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

Should probably also buy a lottery ticket if they managed to buy one at sticker... Gresham Ford is already asking a $35,000 markup on Ranger Raptor

 

That's how much the 2021 Ranger I look at was. FX4 STX appearance pkg super cab.

 

@Jeff Lange

Perhaps the Taco and 4R reveals are being intentionally offset (as opposed to being offset out of necessity) so that one does not drown out the other.

 

Point taken ...perhaps the best reason to not trade for new model is years of driving with no payments. The allure of a brand new truck is real though haha

 

Some of these 2024 tacomas can be as long as a f150. Too big. Measure the garage space

 

They should be the same length and the open door width as the current 3rd Gens.

 

I really had hoped to be finished with long-form posting and mostly disappear, since we now have the new 4th generation being official and not necessary to highlight any unknowns.

However, it seems that in recent discussion, some fallacies are being stated about vehicles related to the new Tacoma and since I know a few things about them that I've not previously mentioned here, I want to clear the air and set some stuff straight, since I'm not seeing the fallacies being confidently debunked. (with internally sourced confirmation).

I'm sorry to go so off-topic again, but I feel like this annoying subject matter of the 4Runner needs to be nipped in the bud once again and for all.

The new Tacoma is for all eyes to see finally and things off-topic really shouldn't be coming up. Yet...

(1) Same here.

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I really cringe when I (no one else) refer to crossovers as SUVs, when in a conversation that needs to differentiate between them and ladder frame vehicles. I now try to call crossovers, CUVs.

In my opinion, the Sport aspect of the acronym SUV, was to refer to going off the paved path like in BMX sports or something of the sort. Not that they are canyon road carvers, like a Macan or X5M, but BOFs are sporty in the off-roading sense and also utilitarian vehicles.

Media of the '90s didn't help by being too overly inclusive (in terms of S-U-V), with the advent of IFS+IRS married to unibody vehicles with higher clearance, debuting with the Lexus RX (1998) and BMW X5 (1999).

Although Jeep Cherokee XJ and ZJ/J Grand Cherokee were unibody, they had SFA+SRA. The WL Grand Cherokee and L460 Range Rover today, not to mention even L663 Defender, make that even more confusing. They are crossovers, not body on frame, yet have serious capabilities that still rival BOFs.

(2) Yes, but there's been a plan to expand the new Tacoma assembly plant known as TMMGT to go from producing 200k to 300k annually. The other plant makes about 166k. Don't you think nearly 500k is excessive for just the Tacoma alone?

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In early 2020, I made the mistake of assuming Toyota would build the 2021 Venza at TMMI in Indiana from late 2020 to replace the Sequoia moving to Texas. Someone warned me the production volume was too low. They were right, Toyota was making room for the Grand Highlander and Lexus TX and the Venza is built in Japan.

The key thing here is, if Toyota honors production volume increase to 300k at TMMGT by 2025. If that doesn't happen, it will remain a Tahara only affair.

We need to really get on the same page here, once and for all. We all have our concerns about the future, but we have to maintain the same information with each other here.

Toyota does not want to invest in more ICE plants in addition to the ones they already have. Nor do any other manufacturers. In fact, those of us who are not as rich as Toyota, are actually shutting down facilities and only building for BEV infrastructure and assembly.

The TMMGT was the target factory, to supply 4Runner production in North America, from its inception allegedly. The goal at plant opening in 2019, was to expand in two future phases.

1st phase was the current figure of 200k for Tacoma taking over from TMMTX, second figure was 300k for unexplained reasons. The other Mexico plant builds about under 170k annually. Combined that's a projected 470k. Seems excessive for the Tacoma alone...

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Expansion of TNGA-dedicated TMMGT is the only solution here or keeping production at Tahara. No official announcement has been made by TMMGT reiterating that target of 300k nor have Toyota announced any 4Runner switch to TMMGT. It's not happening for Job 1.

For it to be likely, they would need to have announced it last year in early-mid 2022. Last minute announcement on such production changes, never happen. This can still happen for MY 2026 or 2027, but not 2025.

The NX and RAV4 production changes were announced years ahead, as has been the case for every TNGA-F vehicle I've observed.

4Runner is staying in Japan and will be redesigned for MY 2025 at earliest in the late summer of 2024*.

Well stated here. You know something about this for certain, to draw that conclusion. Another plant takes serious time in fact, even just expansion and changes to an existing line. Factory changes by Toyota are typically announced 24-32 months out from SOP.

They rarely ever deviate from it. You know what's up here. This vehicle begins production in Q3 2024 at earliest (last heard July 2024*), so it is very likely it will remain Tahara. There's no time left to make a switch for initial launch...

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The only sneaking suspicion I have is, Toyota being ashamed of switching production to Mexico and doing their very best, to hide mention of it when possible.

• Tacoma switching from California to Texas back in 2010.
  • Had a two big ceremonies and press coverage.
• The opening of the new plant in Mexico.
  • Had press coverage in December 2019 and February 2020.
  • It was originally supposed to be a Corolla plant, but a presidential candidate in 2016 chided Toyota over Mexico production and they instead sent the Tacoma there
    • Redesigned Sequoia later came into the mix and space was needed, so Tacoma was pushed out of Texas too.
• Sequoia production switch announced January 2020
  • Included mention of Tacoma production switch to Mexico by late 2021
• Tacoma production ended with ZERO mention by Toyota, until months later in some TMMTX factory milestones
  • No ceremony, nada

It is possible Toyota would try their best to sneakily move 4Runner from Japan to Mexico, holding it back to the absolute last minute in 2023-24 to announce it, like when key 2G production shifted from California to Texas. In my opinion, it's too unlikely. The expansion aspect of TMMGT cannot be well hidden enough.

Just to even build 100k 4Runners Mexico, isn't enough to meet demand. We're gonna have to see what occurs, because my direct Toyota sources either deny or refuse to confirm a shift to Mexico. The affiliates and suppliers who've seen the vehicle and work on it, plead the 5th or have confirmed Mexico previously, but now sidestep answering that question from me.

Toyota launched production of the 2019 RAV4 via Takaoka and Nagakusa Plant in Japan in November 2018 for December/Jan release, with Canada coming in early 2019 for spring 2019 release.

The 2022 Lexus NX echoed the same thing in Q3 2021 for November 2021 intro. Canadian production addition, I had leaked back in June 2017 for the Lexus NX and it got confirmed by Toyota officially in April 2019.

It finally happened in March 2022. 35 months from announcement to execution.

I can see 4Runner production moving to Mexico, later. Not for MY 2025 initial start-up. Anything can change in terms of Job 2 or etc.

(1) It's actually 366,000, but your point is well understood. I mentioned Mexico years back, as that was what got passed onto me and also seeing it firsthand in industry databases, listing production scheduling and also industry exclusive competitor timetable forecasting.

I cannot link you to Marklines, a subscriber-only site I am on, but I can show you one of several examples that hinted at bigger plans at TMMGT, to build 300k units in ADDITION to the 166k at TMMBC plant in Tecate.

https://mexico-now.com/toyota-plant...riple-production-capacity-in-first-six-years/

(2) We share a lot in common, no matter how much we might be seen as pedantic for thinking this way. I only refer to pickups as "trucks", so hehe I get you on that LOL. I hate calling enclosed SUVs, trucks. Maybe the Gen 1 4Runner or Toyota Trekker can be called that, but after 1989 or 1995, I avoid calling the 4Runner a truck. It's really opinion of course, not fact.

(3) Point well made, as Tahara is definitely not a truck plant. It does build Toyota's premium 4x4 BOFs and Lexus models, but it is not a truck plant as you highlighted. The vehicles in gray are not made at Tahara for the current generation or are no longer in production.

I don't see factory change happening for MY 2025. As I explained, some of the media and myself, gave fuel to that Mexico rumor. Why? It was credible, but not yet proven in terms of the ultimate decisions made by Toyota.

There was a plan in place, to expand Toyota Motor Manufacturing Guanajuato's production capacity from roughly 200k in the early 2020s annually to 300k by 2025.
https://mexico-now.com/toyota-plant...riple-production-capacity-in-first-six-years/

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Industry source databases for production timetables and other logistics, have been listing either Tahara or TMMGT Mexico, as the plant for the successor to "610L" aka N280 4Runner, commenced in August 2009 and EOP in Summer 2024.

People working on the new 4Runner as testers and/or suppliers on Toyota's behalf, have mentioned that the listed plant is TMMGT alongside the Tacoma.

While those personnel and other industry folk privy to those schedules might blindly trust it being TMMGT, I no longer do. I believe, it will be built in Tahara, as Toyota NEVER makes a factory change without making an announcement specifying that well in advance.

One way or the other, you would know at this point now. I don't want to list other past Toyota examples again, but I've seen that's typically how they operate. You'll typically know 2 to 2.5 years ahead of production start, about a factory change. There are very important reasons behind it too.

To expand TMMGT production from 200k currently to 300k and add a vehicle like the 4Runner from Japan, it won't go unmentioned. Especially not so last minute.

The only exceptions were when GM shocked Toyota and pulled all production out of NUMMI in California, forcing Toyota to switch Tacoma to TMMTX and Baja only at the 11th hour in 2010. Now property of Tesla. Tahara will launch this new vehicle, not TMMGT.

(1) Yes, they do as you said. I didn't like the quality of a Japanese built 2020 RAV4 XLE Premium that my cousin owned and see had issues with. I'm thinking she is soured off of the brand after her miserable experience...

(2) It's true, but the 4Runner is also being developed here in the United States and Canada. In fact, so is the GX hybrid to a marginal degree.

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• It's an engineering management and sales/marketing management decision whether they'll permit public testing rounds of a future vehicle, where it can be seen by photographers. The 4Runner has been in the United States since early 2021, as well as Canada.

• I am told that the 2025 4Runner, looks like the most recent CarBuzz rendering and is more angular. The Tacoma headlight design is extremely similar, but 4Runner has a different curvature than the Tacoma units. The C-Pillar is more upright for better ease of entry and the D-Pillar is similar to Sequoia (ie not too upright).

• This is out of a source who is N.A. based and not even Japan. He's been privy to this vehicle for 2 years now and the only person that allowed me to share with the world, that the 4Runner would no longer meet this timeline for MY 2023 launch as first seen in early 2020.
  • 

• I am thinking what differs here is how the 4th and 5th gens were developed from late 1998 to 2000 at solely JP facilities and then US responsibilities were included in 2001-02, before launch in October 2002.
  • 2nd Gen Tacoma was entirely developed and DESIGNED by Hino Trucks in Japan from 2000 to 2004. USA had zero involvement.
  • Current N280 probably was entirely JP HQ Only from 2006 to 2008, then USA included during 2008-09, before intro in November 2009.
  • Next gen is probably more expanded, with Amer-Can input increased this time around.

My comments here aren't really directed at you specifically, but it is generalized as I don't want to make endless quotes of other comments and I hope to answer your own curiosities within here too.

American dealers and bigger plans for the Land Cruiser...

From 2012 to 2014/15, the Sequoia was going to be killed off.

The last generation XK60 Sequoia was:

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• Completed with body design and basic engineering in 2005 and sent to testing.

• Shown to dealer principals and GMs during 2006.

• Revealed at LAIAS '07 and entered production during November 2007.

• Went on sale in December 2007 as a 2008 model. 2008 elsewhere.

• Was targeted for MY 2012 Mid-Model Change aka midlife refresh in 2011

• • MMC Plans were abandoned in 2009 due to financial collapse and poor sales.

• • XK60 Sequoia withered away with no changes for years, just like the 2007 Ford Expedition which suffered identically (updated finally in 2014 for MY15 and redesigned for MY 2018).

• By the early 2010s, Akio Toyoda was focused on culling product, that didn't speak to him nor sensible business cases going forward. The Sequoia was a victim, so was the 4Runner and Lexus GX 460. Plus FJ Cruiser, at least for North America.

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• • Tacoma was retained, but put on a shoestring budget that included a more significant Mid-Model Change for MY 2012 and small update for MY 2014.
    • Plus Major-Minor Change for 2016, as stop-gap minimal redesign, to invest later in a more cost-sharing and comprehensively redesigned product that allowed for hybrid powertrains.

• • The 2016 Hilux was favored by Akio Toyoda and got MUCH more investment than the 2016 Tacoma. Less was carried over on the Hilux by comparison. Toyoda and Japan HQ didn't have feel confident in the US midsize segment circa 2010, saving money where they could.

• • Tundra was heavily updated for MY 2014, to correct past issues and a more competitive redesign being put on the back burner, later resulting in a lighter MMC for 2018MY.

• • Two of 4 SUVs above, were ordered swansong facelifts for MY 2014 to tide them through demise.
    • Prado was to join TNGA-F and launch after 300 in late 2020/21.*
    • Sequoia would just die in 2015.
    • GX and 4Runner die by 2017.

• • • Circa 2011-12, Toyoda saw no need for the FJ, GX, and 4R. Thinking something else could fill those spaces, like:
      • Subaru-like 2020 Highlander on unibody TNGA-K by 2019-20
      • Planning the next generation Land Cruiser (300) to cover more price-points.
        • Plus J150 LC replacement studied for USA in place of 4R and GX*
      • Plus Future '19 RAV4 TRD at the low end. (This was circa early 2010s thinking, not today)

• • • Lexus had been studying the TX nameplate for many, many years since 2000s, but couldn't decide if it should be RWD-based like the Mercedes-Benz GL-Class or FWD based like the Acura MDX.

• • • • In 2014 they abandoned those plans and postponed a 3-row crossover. Deciding that the facelifted 2014 GX sales were jumping like mad and the Highlander served those purposes for the company overall. As 3-row crossovers got bigger and bigger, like the Telluride and Palisade years later, things changed fast...

• • • • Decision was made in 2012, to keep the 2016 Lexus RX as 2-row, 5-seats only. Decision was reversed after dealer uproar in December 2014 (too late) and 3-row RX took 2 MYs (2018) to arrive.
        • Unibody TX entered planning in the late 2010s once RX L went on sale in January 2018. Grand Highlander followed...

• American Toyota dealers fought like hell to keep the Sequoia for some weird reason and circa early 2015 their request was honored.

• • From 2015, work began on studying a new generation XK80 Sequoia and the badly-needed MY 2018 Mid-Model Change, signed off by late 2015.

• Land Cruiser Nameplate

• • The idea has been to expand the Land Cruiser family with more heritage products, once development of the 300-Series got underway in last days of 2013 and BOF sales jumped in some markets like the USA.

• • After a 2016MY update in November 2015, both the Land Cruiser 300 and 310-Series Lexus LX, were deep into development.

• • • At this point, so was a new XK80 Sequoia in planning as well, so no need for a larger 300-Series.

• • • LX's future in USA was secured, but the final design (attached) for the 2020MY LC 300 was rejected by Akio Toyoda in 2016. Revisions were ordered by him, at the cost of 18 months delay.
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• • • Merging of the XK80 and J300 to TNGA-F was forced by 2017, instead of distinct architectures as planned before.

• • • By the time the revised production LC 300 design was locked down in 2018, it had been decided that the 300-Series would NOT be federalized for import to North America.
      • Advanced Design and Planning was tasked with coming up with an alternative to keep Land Cruiser name alive forever...

• • • The luxurious 3-row Land Cruiser became a senseless business case after the J100 and worse J200, since it was not appreciated by the buying public and redundant next to the J200 Lexus LX 570.

• • • The J310 LX would permanently take its place and upper trim Sequoias, for customers who could swallow the compromise in build quality.

The Sequoia nameplate was saved by USA dealers, the same way the 4Runner was marked for death in 1998 and 2006. Dealers S-A-V-E-D THEM! The same way Lexus dealers killed off a Lexus RC convertible in favor of the hastily thrown together 3-row RX L and later TX.

The Land Cruiser nameplate as you can see in my bullet points, was suspended temporarily as I've mentioned before on TW (buried posts), because the large 200-Series in production since September 2007, wasn't going to be available for export to USA after MY 2021, once all 200-Series production ended in March 2021.

By 2019, they had identified their internal targets and the next Land Cruiser Prado was going to supplant, a much more expensive FJ Cruiser replacement called Land Cruiser instead FJ Cruiser this time around.

I learned in October 2019 a bit about this new Land Cruiser, out of a Toyota conference held in September 2019 in Las Vegas. They discussed there, that an all-new hardcore Land Cruiser would return in the future, a dedicated off-roader with no luxury pretensions.

I took that shared insight and went to Motor1.com in February 2020 with it amongst other things.

Land Cruiser news got posted almost everywhere, then faded away due to the COVID-19 shutdowns and later got misunderstood for the non-USA 300-Series, no thanks to dumb journalists outside of USA stealing it and misinterpreting my context without my consent. Toyota of course declined to comment on it until December 2022, when Jack Hollis confirmed plans.

The Sequoia came back indeed and took its place as the new core BOF 3-row offering at Toyota, with others below it offering the option of 3-rows like the 4Runner. Next in the puzzle was to keep the Land Cruiser nameplate alive as well, by finishing development of that vehicle, next to the GX, Prado, and then 4Runner below all of them.

Worldwide for TNGA-F SUVs, from top to bottom through December 2025:

• J310 LX 600 (refresh is coming), LX 700h ($$$)

• J300 Land Cruiser (refresh is coming)

• XK80 Sequoia (MMC coming)

• J240 or J250 GX (Revealed June 8)
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• J240 or J250 Land Cruiser Prado (Direct Cousin to GX)
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• J240 or J250 Land Cruiser (Retro FJ Replacement)
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• N3XX 4Runner (Tacoma-influenced SUV)
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• Fortuner (Hilux SUV)

I put a lot of effort into explaining this, but I cannot help anyone who doesn't read it, over "TL;DR", and asks the same questions over and over and over. I'm done repeating myself, to keep everyone on the same page and answering questions (overly explanatory).

Unless Toyota explicitly comes out and says so, I do not want to see anyone claim that the "4Runner IS DEAD" without a credible explanation nor proof to support their findings.

It isn't. Not because I say so, but people at TMNA HQ with name badge verification and good intentions (this time at least LOL), have confirmed all of what's coming to USA on that front. I hope we can all take something from this and move on, by focusing discussion back on the 4th Generation Tacoma or positive things related to it (like that nice list of vehicles coming through 2025.)

That won't be necessary for the Sequoia, since the Land Cruiser nameplate will be sold as an FJ replacement in North America from March 2024 and not a full sized luxury 4WD wagon like the previous 80/100/200 imported from February 1990 to June 2021 and current 300 (not offered).

The 300 will never come to the United States, since to TMNA, 310-Series LX 600 (VJA310) and upcoming LX 700h, cover those bases. XK80 Sequoia, somewhat adjacently and maybe that needs a non hybrid at least...

2024 Land Cruiser Prado for NON-USA

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Just like the new GX 550 and GX 550h, which eliminate the need for the redesigned "Prado-Prado" to be sold here. We will only get 3 of 5 mid-sized SUVs planned for GA-F. Like 300-Series, we will not get the mainstream Prado, which will be for markets that won't get GX. In this order: GX, "FJ-Prado" known as "Land Cruiser", and 4Runner will be offered in North America by MY 2025.

2024 Lexus GX

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2024 1/2 Land Cruiser Prado (FJ Replacement) Rendering

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Ignore the 4Runner cues, as Motor Trend has the wrong model and needs to make this rendering boxier with more round lighting units.

This is some AI-rendered image, but according to my sources it's the most accurate out of anything online. Combine that with the new Tacoma, angular cues, upright C-Pillar, slopped D-Pillar and then you have the 2025 4Runner.

2025 4Runner Rendering

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As a longtime subscriber to Crain Communications' prestigious Automotive News, they can occasionally piss me off with some blind guesses, but they're among the most reputable journalists out there. Thank you for sharing the link.

I hope you can see from this now, you are worrying about nothing and probably wasting your time having to defend any stance you have, when the 4Runner is highly regarded by TMNA and they successfully fought for it years ago to be redesigned.

I've said this before and have repeated it, but it gets lost in the shuffle. They've been testing it for over 2 years in final shape and are behind due to technical issues with the hybrid and launch scheduling against other major redesigns, sharing space at Tahara.

I predicted these launch-clashing concerns years ago in late 2019 and I sounded like a crazy man to many people here, but it's now better understood long term and I no longer look crazy at least in that respect.

I knew these problems could occur and they would have to space them out. 4 1/2 years later, I was right about that. We would've seen earlier redesigns, if not for this problem.

Canadian dealers have all been shown their next Land Cruiser, which they will start receiving next March*. It's coming back...

Very well stated and informative. I've really respect what you've done over the years on TW and appreciate your focus on being extremely informative and straight to the point, unlike me. This forum can really use people like you and some others, to keep things always on track.

I only came here to TW originally to preview the 4th generation and bring it into discussion earlier than expected, but I'm going to fade into the background now that it's public and nothing is hard to figure out going forward.

I came back here briefly for 4Runner-related concerns, that I noticed a number of you were earnestly trying to keep on topic, but spiraled out of control and since I have spoken to good people at Toyota USA directly about that vehicle and others coming up, I have needed to help out a little here and clear the air hopefully.

Always keep posting Jeff, you nicely fill in the blanks on a lot of things many of us wouldn't have known. That stuff about the Land Cruiser in Canada, shocked me greatly! Didn't know it was just one-model year!

Everything said as you know it, is correct. The first 4Runner prototypes wearing the production design, were flown over from Japan in early 2021 and on U.S. soil as early as March 2021*, in a secured facility for a different Toyota insider to view and study. My source has driven the vehicle himself since 2021 and commented on a TTV6 prototype* (vetoed for prod), in his case covered up in camo in heavily secured areas and only observable indoors without any camouflage. I have many sources, but my two most trusted, I am comfortable with sharing their firsthand insight in limited capacity.

It is still MY 2025, as you can see in my other responses. You might see prototypes testing around the Fall, at earliest. That's just maybe, because it is up to marketing peeps to allow that and R&D directors, as it's drip feed teasing. Field testing can be done away from the eyes of cameras or solely at night until the very end, if desired. Reveal should be early next year like it was with the Sequoia. Or expect a 6-8 week teaser campaign, like with the 2024 Tacoma into spring 2024.

Well stated and thank you for informing us all about that. I didn't know this myself, but now I do. I was going to chime in and explain how since it is not mainland USA and quite a distance away, things are quite a bit different. You already explained that point perfectly.




*(DISCLAIMER:
I AM ONLY SHARING INFORMATION I KNOW TO BE ACCURATE AT THE TIME OF POSTING, GATHERED FROM TRUSTED INSIDE SOURCES AT TMNA AND/OR TMNA'S TRUSTED BUSINESS AFFILIATES/SUPPLIERS. ANY CHANGES OR DEVIATIONS IN PRODUCT PLANNING OR TIMETABLES, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR PREDICTING OR KNOWING ABOUT MAGICALLY. MY INSIGHT IS NOT FIRSTHAND, SINCE I DO NOT WORK FOR TMNA.)

If you have any questions, please just PM me or give 1 single reply in here, so we don't derail this thread any further. Thanks.

COLOR CODES:


C = Models for North America already revealed, but undergoing updates
C = All new vehicles not yet revealed, for North America
Other Colors = Sectioning specific parts of quoted text to matched responses from me.

 

Was it ever determined if the glass black on the Pro fender flares is a pre-production thing?

 

Thanks for the info. I am getting tired of waiting on a new 4Runner generation. I thought my 2016 would last but now I am worried it won’t. If Toyota expects me to wait another two years, it isn’t likely to happen. Fuck ‘em. It was their decision. They are WAY behind.

2009…

 

A 2016 4runner should last until 2040!

 

The genesis of misinformation about the 4 Runner dying was introduced by one person backed by guessing and no factual data. Please be wary about believing this person and anything they claim to be happening or they claim as fact. More likely than not it's just banter to argue with fellow users here.

 

Carmaker1, thanks. I wish you would stop by every so often, and keep us informed. I enjoy reading your posts.

 

It isn’t about the hardware. Yea, it’s the most solid vehicle I’ve ever had. However, the seats aren’t super comfy and the gas mileage sucks. The biggest problem is that my lady drives it. I’ll be shocked if that continues until the sixth gen releases.

 

Definitely. Yeah, it sucks. Production last time I heard, begins in 14 months. It should be Tahara and not Mexico.

Indeed, I was also taking the chance to bring up the foursome in Tacoma, Land Cruiser, GX, and 4Runner. So that we're all on the same page. I made sure within the text to point out what I noticed and everyone struggling to keep it on topic, 99% of posters are not playing doomsday games.

It's a bit overwhelming to keep up with hundreds of posts and since the new truck is finally here, it's all over! I'm just going to leave it to Toyota to keep us informed on the new Taco (thankfully!) and focus my attention on the BOF SUVs still in development. (Appreciate that dude!)

 

@Carmaker1

Incredible info! Thank you, clears up a lot. Did not know that Sequoia was almost killed off before, crazy that dealers kept it alive.

The FJ replacement Land Cruiser Prado I have seen before, but with so much misinformation out hard to tell what is true or not. Even if a render, that is much better than the FJ Cruiser it replaces.

2025 4Runner render looks fantastic.

 

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-okay-ok-SmoCFhZCi1kzu

 

Definitely, it had to be done to just end that topic hopefully. The bold is the main reason I did this, as since I refuse to create my own website (privacy concerns), I'm just going to monitor different forums and chime in if possible to keep things straight. I'm sorry to say it, but just tune out YouTube and news media until they match this information.

2024 Lexus GX = Defender Rival, G-Wagen aspirant this December. TTV6 GX 550; 2.4T Hybrid GX 550h

2024 Prado (not for USA) = Toyota-badged Lex GX in April 2024 and now irrelevant me to LOL

2024 FJ Land Cruiser (for USA) = March 2024 with Alleged TTV6; i-Force MAX 2.4T. Stay tuned for better proof...

4Runner for MY 2025 = No V6. Similar engine lineup as Tacoma, possible PHEV (alleged, not confirmed by direct answer) Summer/Fall 2024.

With so much misinformation, I'd just wait until next week for GX and see where it goes from there. Like the Tacoma, it will answer different pieces of the puzzle.

Now that I've pieced it together for myself,

• I've determined Motor Trend based their rendering on the dumb rumors from David Chao, that he lied last year and said the 4Runner was delayed to 2025, to compete better with the Bronco and Wrangler. By mistrusting him and that rumor mill, they ended up predicting the new FJ-inspired Land Cruiser instead (sans 4Runner lights).
• CarBuzz went too crazy on their 4Runner rendering, but if they harden it up and base it on the Taco a bit more, they'll have it right.
• GX looks good and boxy, but boring Prado will be related to it.
• The Tacoma PHEV and BEV being studied, are further down the line.

 

Toyota in a financial meeting video confirmed in or before 2026 a BEV pickup in the USA specifically. I figured they'd do a PHEV either before then for the 2025 model.

This is for USA and China markets. Most likely the BEV pickup would go to the USA and not China. But could be both. But what is coming from Toyota is shown, 2 luxury, 2-3 row SUV, 1 pickup truck based (suspected midsize truck), 1 sports car.

https://youtu.be/fCfxYcEYtno?t=1369

 

Production capacity at San Antonio, Guanjuato, and Baja totals approximately 466,000 vehicles/year. Total sales for the Tacoma, Tundra, Sequoia and 4Runner for 2022? 468,000. Not hard to imagine a scenario where the three plants increased production by 0.4%. And, there is a lot of flat empty land adjacent to the Guanjuato plant...


BTW: the Tahara plant that currently produces the 4Runner has a capacity of ~400K/year, and everything they make is a Lexus, except the Runner. If they wanted to increase production of the highly profitable Lexus line at their flagship plant....I wonder what might be the first model on the chopping block?

 

Re-read that Wikipedia article. Tahara doesn't build five of the last 6 vehicles on that list anymore. The 4Runner is the only "Toyota" made in that plant...everything else is a Lexus.