It’s official, the 2023 is the Tacoma to have

I agree that it was much of the same. Which is why it’s silly when 2nd Gen guys talk about it being so much better than 3rd gen.

 

Do you know what else has similar torque, 475, and can tow 18,000 lbs? A F350 with the 7.3 Godzilla V8, probably can play with the configuration and get darn near the same price as a Pro.

 

You’re towing over 6k with your taco ? May the lord bless your soul

 

It's more like 5K I tow easily.
So Toyota engineers and the SAE don't not know what they are doing and you do ? LOL
Are you familiar with what SAE J2807 is ? Didn't think so.

"The tow test procedures designed by the big brains at the SAE...."
not by TW posters.

https://fifthwheelst.com/SAE-J2807-Tow-Tests.html

 

Don't see where I said anything about engineering standards.
My comment was around how underpowered the tacoma already feels as a DD at 4100-4500lbs... when you add 110% more weight to that ... it is a terrifying proposition. Good luck to you.

 

Back in my construction days, we hauled and towed near or at capacity…it sucked. Most rigs are real happy if you go 75% of or under its limits. The 1 Tons do “ok” yanking around the skidsteers, the 2.5 Tons…you didn’t even know they were back there.

No way I would tow near capacity with a Tacoma, it is a chick truck, and it shows…good for running around doing light duty shit, and that is about it. Love the little thing, but it can reach its limits real quick. I mean shiiiiit, one of the places I go to ride dirt bikes usually has a gnarly headwind and it struggles with my 1250 lbs (loaded) open moto trailer. Can’t imagine towing a 5000 pound parachute behind it.

 

Lets forget about headwinds, Mt McKinley climbs etc.
If you use good judgement and have a good aerodynamic trailer with brakes it does it quite well as engineers have designed it as such.
Been doing it for years.
75% of 6800 is 5100 is what I tow, easily. Nothing terrifying about it LOL !
Haven't seen any legal issues regarding towing capacity claims, have you ?

 

• Still is a parachute. Flatbed I would do with that weight. Have been towing most of my life. Know what kind of setup I like, you may be different. I like waaay overkill. Don’t really care about pushing legal limits.
  
  5000 pound TT, would do at least a 1/2 ton, though saw a new Tundra yanking a 19 footer TT yesterday coming down off the mountain, he was dragging his ass. Probably paid $60K for it too…

 

https://spinoff.nasa.gov/Spinoff2008/t_3.html

The last 35 years have seen a sea change in the design of trucks on America’s highways, reflecting extensive research into vehicle aerodynamics and fluid dynamics conducted by NASA engineers.

 

Was your TT design by NASA? Guessing it just has a slope nose. Tacomas aren’t the best at aerodynamics either, more or
less a brick. Now an aero over the road semi is designed and built for it.

 

Like I said, no issues.

 

Actually that reminds me, there was a guy at the trail head yesterday who had a 15’ TT, said he used to have a Tacoma just like mine, hauled a quad in the bed too. Said it pulled it, but not well. Loved the Toyota, wasn’t enough for him though. Stepped up to a half ton.

As they say different strokes for different folks. If you’re happy with it, that is all it matters, I sure wouldn’t be. I like sustained loads at half capacity, but that is just me.

 

I’d definitely take a brand new 2015 over a 2023 if it were available. But that’s just me.

I just think it was a missed opportunity. They should have treated the 3 gen tacoma like the 2.5 gen Tundra update and kept the drivetrain. Even better, put in the 4Runner-tuned 4.0 v6. Kind of makes you wonder why they never put the 3.5L in the 4Runner if it was an actual upgrade.

 

A tacoma does not tow 5k pounds "easily"

 

Because Toyota deleted Lunar Rock I’m stuck until at least Gen5 b/c I can’t change my handle to Underground Squirrel.

4cyl turbo vs V6 is not a generational argument like drums vs disc would be. Turbo 4’s have been around since before disco and rest assured this one will make a lot more torque and still manage to sound like an ‘86 Starion. Different strokes for different folks.

Now the real reckoning happens when they finally roll out an EV Taco. Oh the lines that will be drawn…

 

Lots of talk about 4cyl turbo vs V6, I still say the biggest issue I have is the transmission and how it thinks it needs to shift. If the 24' can shift better than the 6sp auto I would definitely consider a compromise and go to a 4cyl turbo. I don't mind the extra maintenance involved. Toyota has never asked me what I wanted in a truck but its not a bad guess.

 

I doubt I'd have my Tacoma if it came without a manual gearbox.

The '24 is not very attractive for several reasons. My wife's old BMW had a very smooth 8 gear auto tuned for performance. Still, I was not a fan... - I do hope the one in the 4G Tacoma does not gear hunt like the current Auto... )

I do like the look of the 4th gen - it is well done. And there are some decent improvements - within a few small faults being added... e.g. e-handbrake, added width, added length, etc.

The biggest performance improvement is from the Hybrid option, definitely.
The non hybrid seems to be not such a great step forward on its own in terms of performance - especially when compared to the hybrid...
The non Hybrid has similar performance as the V6 - albeit better torque curve, but likely moving a heavier truck (Likely with the Hybrid option - possibly even with the non-hybrid?).
- And the manual is NOT available with the Hybrid option.

Mostly, I don't want a hybrid. I want to eliminate the complexity of the IC engine - this is the goal. I want to carry only ONE drivetrain, not two.

- I'm curious to test drive the 4th Gen. but I'll very likely keep my '21 for a while (at <5k playful miles per year) and I'll patiently wait for a full Battery electric. - Certainly some interesting alternatives are coming.

 

What makes you think the Turbo-4 will have more maintenance than the V6?

 

mostly just talking about keeping the oil change intervals at or well below 5K

 

I really would rather have a plug-in hybrid version with the turbo 4 than a pure EV. Too bad about them dropping Lunar Rock. That's what I got on my 23 Tundra.