4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

TFL has a video test driving one of them and mentioned the mpgs of each. It seemed odd that the max gets so much worse mpg so I confirmed on Toyota’s website.

 

That would make a lot if sense. It seems crazy to lose 10 mpg just to gain more horsepower that’s not even needed for the majority of time driving.

 

Yeah, but the regular non-max hybrid has all those components too.

 

That 2.5l isn't even turbo charged and doesn't make much power, hence why the mpg is so much better. Looks like a Grand Highlander max is almost 5000 pounds. I guessing the Tacoma be lighter? Surely we could get 25mpg on the highway...

 

So if you added a turbo to that 2.5 engine you would lose 10 mpg? That doesn’t make much sense?

 

It does when you look at the numbers:

Hybrid Max powertrain — 2.4-liter 4-cylinder turbo Hybrid MAX 16-valve D-4S injection engine with Dual Variable Valve Timing with intelligence (VVT-i); 362 net combined hp @ 6000 rpm, 400 lb.-ft. @ 2000-3000 rpm
Gasoline engine — 2.4-liter 4-cylinder turbocharged 16-valve D-4S injection engine with Dual Variable Valve Timing with intelligence (VVT-i) and Stop and Start Engine System; 265 hp @ 6000 rpm, 310 lb.-ft. @ 1700-3600 rpm
Hybrid powertrain — 2.5-liter L4HV Double Overhead Cam (DOHC) 16-valve D-4S injection engine; 245 combined net hp, 175 lb.-ft. @ 4400 rpm

Only one of those hybrids are meant for fuel savings.

 

Toyota’s hybrid max configuration is designed to maximize performance while getting decent-ish mpg.

While it is not the Hybrid Max drive train (it is the Direct 4 architecture) the 400 foot pounds of torque and 28MPG is great in my wife’s RX500h. The normal RX350h has 120 less HP and gets 36MPG. I like the zoom.

In the Tacoma the Hybrid Max is about performance and competing with the turbo’d Ford/Chevy/GMC trucks.

 

I will never purchase another ICE-only vehicle and the iForce-Max is going to provide negligible efficiency gains over the ICE-only engine, so why would I bother getting a 4th gen Tacoma if I don't need 465 ft-lbs of torque? I think a lot of people will just skip right over Gen4 until better electrified options come along.

 

That's in or before 2026. So your wait won't be long.

 

BEV trucks are a novelty.

Normal buyers such as myself don’t want an electric compromise of a truck. There will be an electric version eventually for those who do

 

Except for the early adopters skipping generations should be the standard plan for Tacoma owners. A 3-4 yo Tacoma should take you to 2035 easy. My 2G was 10 years old when the 3G came out and it was an easy decision.

 

What was an easy decision?

 

I agree with second part of that. What’s the point of a complicated hybrid if you aren’t getting any meaningful fuel savings. If it was a plug in hybrid then sure that makes sense but at this point I will stick with a full ice or go with a full electric like a Lightning.

 

Today I learned 700+HP and 70+MPGe is a novelty.....

 

Add in the increased cost (Tundra is wild), and it’s a non-starter. I looked for a lightly used Tundra before getting my AT4 and came up empty on something that made sense.

 

The lighting is trash , doesn't even get close to the numbers they advertise especially on towing

 

EV is half baked but most everything else is prime. Word is the 2024 F150 is styled like the Lightning which to me will prob be the best looking fill size gasser out there.

 

It’s so Toyota can give the truck the torque curve of a larger diesel or larger gas engine while still meeting emissions compliance. If you want good mpg and a bed then a compact truck like the maverick is a better option. Also the hybrid system is not that complex. Literally a clutch, electric motor and beefed up cooling system, a modern AT transmission has more moving parts. I think the standard iforce will be enough for most buyers. I wouldn’t mind getting 465 pound ft of torque at 1700 rpm. That’s sounds amazing compared to the 3.5, and it will still get slightly better mpg than the current gen. I don’t see an issue. No plug in hybrids exist in the class and BEV’s are still in their infancy.

 

If it had a Toyota badge on it you would love it.

 

Because toyota would do it properly