Better Gas Mileage

I just about got all the details worked out for the group buy. We should be ready next week.
Ben

 

Read on.

It is underway. Be patient, Rome wasn't built in a day.

Been testing.

Sorry Guys, I have been making all efforts to only report on tanks that I can completely doccument, and control as many of the variables as possible in the interest of running as scientific a test as possible outside of lab conditions.

As some of you knew I was taking a long weekend and going on a camping trip. I got back on Tuesday evening with 4 tanks to report on. As some of you also know, I am a short haul trucker by profession. When I got home there was a message on my answering machine asking if I'd be interested in taking a 3-day run to Florida and back for double time as they had no-one else who could or wanted to cover it. Well double time is hard to turn down. So I got back home from that this evening. The next post will contain my results from my trip.

M3dragon,

It is not really an atomizer. By definition it is a Vapor Pressure Enhancer. What that boils down to in laymans terms is that the device promotes a more complete burn of the fuel that enters your combustion chamber.

Please keep in mind that you can put a match out in a bucket of gasoline. It is not the fuel in the liquid form that burns, but the vapor form that burns.

Think of it this way. (I posted this analogy early in this thread, and Ben said it was the most accurate analogy). If you throw a log on your campfire it takes a while for it to catch, and then it burns for a long time Therefor taking a long time to release all of the potential energy it contains. Right?

Well if instead of a log you throw a fist full of sawdust on the same campfire, it pretty much goes up like flashpaper, releasing all of it potential energy at once, and leaving very little ash behind. The sawdust is a more complete and efficient burn.

As far as running the fuel through copper. It is a copper mesh, like a whole bunch of offset pieces of screen for lack of a better description. The screen creates turbulence in the fuel flow, separating the fuel from one concentrated stream into something like rapids, and as such enhancing the pressure. Think of it like this. It is relatively easy to swim across a slow lazy moving river, but considerably more difficult if not impossible to swim through rapids.

As far as your modified bimmer. This device should still work just fine as it should still be able to perform it's function regardless of what other engine mods you have made to the car.

 

Ok, I went camping this past weekend, and have 4 tanks to report.

Tank 1: (Towing)
(Limited access highway, 1-2 lanes each direction with occasional lights)

• 154.4 Miles
• 14.470 Gallons
• 10.64 MPG
• Driving time: 2 hours 44 minutes
• Stopped time: 15 minutes 28 seconds
• Driving average: 53.6 MPH
• Overall average: 49.0 MPH
• Maximum speed: 74.2 MPH
• AC on 50% of the time

Tank 2: (Towing)
(Limited access highway, with a bit of idling at the campground while I backed into the site and leveled the trailer up.)

• 79.1 Miles
• 7.879 Gallons
• 10.15 MPG
• Driving time: 1 hour 46 minutes
• Stopped time: 21 minutes 13 seconds
• Driving average: 45.9 MPH
• Overall average: 38.3 MPH
• Maximum Speed: 67.5 MPH
• AC on 100% of the time

Tank 3: (Truck Solo, over some highway, and some limited access roads. I also still had the extended towing mirrirs on (wind resistance))

• 142.6 Miles
• 7.061 Gallons
• 20.75 MPG
• Driving time: 2 hour 49 minutes
• Stopped time: 7 minutes 22 seconds
• Driving average: 52.3 MPH
• Overall average: 50.2 MPH
• Maximum Speed: 76.8 MPH
• AC on 100% of the time

Tank 4: (Towing. 50/50 split of limited access to highway)

207 Miles
17.675 Gallons
11.71 MPG
Driving time: 4 hour 10 minutes
Stopped time: 13 minutes 59 seconds
Driving average: 51.1 MPH
Overall average: 48.4 MPH
Maximum Speed: 73.6 MPH
AC on 100% of the time

Please note that these tanks were not 100% scientific as each tank was from a different station, different brand, and therefor not the same pump either.

My conclusion thus far is that it seems as if 10.5 to 11.5 is the best this truck will do with this trailer attached to it, no matter what I do to it. I believe that there is just a wall essentially where the air resistance of the trailer dictates the fuel mileage more than the engine does.

However, worth noting on the solo tank, is that that mileage was close to my best ever mileage and it still had the towing mirrors on and was not all highway, and I was running the air the whole trip.

If I had to make a conclusion and offer my oppinion right this minute, I'd say I believe that there is a mileage gain to be had with the eco-2 on the 4.0L, but even if there wasn't. There is in fact a power bump to be had, and that power bump cost you absolutely nothing in the way of mileage as every thing I have done has been equall to or very slightly better than my pre-VPE numbers. That power bump is worth the price alone.

That said, I have a highway trip scheduled for the truck by itself on Sunday, and I still hope to complete the exact same trip under the same conditions where I turned in my best ever pre-VPE mileage, before I get together with 007 and we formulate our final report, so please, everyone be patient a little while longer, and I promisse you'll be happy with the final product.

Regards,

 

Thanks maverick. Appreciate all the efforts that go into documenting this.

 

I am in for a group by to try it. I am always looking for more performance. While I am VERY skeptical on the product I am willing to try.

How about a GB list going here

1. M3dragon
2.

 

4 liter Tacomas are pigs until about 20,000-25,000 miles, sounds like the dealer is just trying to soak us for more money.

 

That would be true "IF" the ECO-System did not work on vehcles with mileage over 20,000 to 25,000 miles. In Fact ECO-Systems works best on vehicles with high mileage. It will help clean the injectors, O2 sensors, and cumbustion chambers, improving overall performance. The dealers also offer the ECO's on used vehicles as well.
Ben

 

Hey Eco

What is the your longest running test vehicle with your system installed. IE how many miles does you longest test car have with it installed?
Have you dynoed before install and after install?
Dynoed after 10,000 miles

I will be a thorn in your side for a little bit longer I am afraid. But hey I am the only on on the group by list at least =)

Thanks

 

I wont be interested in a GB until i see Mavericks real world results and his conclusion. Even then, i may wait until after youguys do the GB and see what the mass concensus is before i invest in it. BTW, Thanks for all the work and research you're putting into this Mav, its appreciated.

 

Bad news boys and girls (well, sorta):

After taking off the VPE, my mileage dropped - DRASTICALLY!!!

After three tanks of ridiculous fuel mileage, I took the truck to a dealership. They said that the MAF sensor was fouled up a bit from the oil in my High-Flow Air Filter. Apparently this is a common problem (although I have never had it before). I asked why it didn't throw a MIL/CEL, and they said that it was technically still in spec. Well that's comforting...

The technician said that they can replace it (at an inhumane price), or I could go clean it with electronics cleaner. SO, when I get off of work today, I am going to go buy some cleaner.

For cleaning the MAF: Any suggestions on a brand or where to buy?

Since oil based filters are better when they have been used a bit (more dirt on the filter acts as a filter itself), I am going to leave it on and see if I continue to have MAF issues. Time will tell.

As for my mileage numbers, I don't have them in front of me. I will post them tonight when I get home. If I remember correctly, I was seeing a 2-4 MPG drop since removing the VPE!!! I will definitely be keeping the VPE after this.

So, once I get the sensor cleaned, I am going to do 3 regular tanks without the VPE and 3 regular tanks with the VPE. Hopefully by that time, maverick491 and I can put together a full report.

 

Sorry to hear about your MAF. The dealers always will throw that excuse at you as they think they cause all issues. K&N spend millions on R&D and they have oil in their filters. SO I call BS to that is why your MAF is messed up. If you follow re-oil procedures then you will not have a problem when you clean it either.

Have you tried the new AFE dry filter that does not use oil and is supposed to flow more air?

 

Hate to be a hater on my first post here, but most of these devices *cough* *scam* *cough* have been proven not to work. Magnets? Vapor Pressure Enhancers? You might as well just get a Tornado...it was profiled on my local news station as well (which they probably paid for).

http://www.tornadofuelsaver.com/272/tornadofuelsaver/tfs.php?PHPSESSID=5oqj3mq046ss23l5u65hge5pa4

 

If you hate to be a hater on your first post, THEN DON'T!!!! Both of you and anyone else.

Could you perhaps be bothered to read through all 170 some posts on this thread before deciding to spout off with your un-educated opinion.

If you had bothered to read through the entire thread you would know that 007Tacoma and Myself approached this device with some scepticism as well as with an open mind, and have freely given our time, energy, and money to take a shot with these devices on both Tacoma engines, and report our real world results.

This test has been on-going over several months, and will likely continue for another month or so at which time a final report detailing our findings will be published on this forum. Then based on that data, everyone can make their own INFORMED decision.

As I have said before, the science on this decice is sound "on paper", we are testing the "in practice". The magnets and tornado are not sound on paper, even to a 5th grader.

I suppose that you however are not smarter than a fifth grader!

Perhaps your mother never told you but if you have nothing constructive to say perhaps you should simply keep quiet.

This is not intended to chastize those of you asking legitimate questions or seeking information from myself, 007, or ecotaz, in-fact I think I can speak for all of us when I say we welcome that kind of feedback, I've just had a gut-full of people with nothing more to say than "snake oil" and showing a total dis-regard for what we are trying to do here.

OK, I'm off my soap-box now.

 

To el smurfo: I would point out that these devices have NOT been proven to not work (how's that for a string of negatives?). Our fearless testers are checking it out. I put one on my truck, but because it is so new I, unfortunately, have no "before" data.

 

How much is this ECO-system ?

 

Our Longest running vehicles are the big rigs that have been in use for over 5 years now. On persoanal vehicles I know of one customer alone that had his on a Ford F150 from brand new to 425,000 miles, took it off and installed it on a Dodge Ram and has 167,000 miles on it now and he still loves it's performance. Total of 592,000 miles and still working. That is one of the good things about these systems that you can move them to your next vehicle as long as it is the same type of engine. (4 cyl. - V-6 or V-8)
We have dynoed on the 3406 E Caterpillar with 10 Horsepower increase
and a 5.9 cummins diesel with 12 hpr. increase and a Titan 5.6 with a supercharger and had 8 hpr increase. These were all just recently. There are some older tests as well.
I have not dynoed after 10,000 miles.
You don't have to be afraid since we are committed to customer service.
Thanks,
Ben

 

I am working to get a Distributor to offer it at the Government and Fleet Discount rate. This is for Fleets with 50 vehicles and more.
ECO #1 is $129.00 Plus install Kit at $39.00 for 4 cylinder
ECO #2 is $189.00 Plus install Kit at $39.00 For V-6
I should have confirmation by tomorrow evening.

As soon as I get the the O.K. I will get approval from the administrators and proceed.

This offer will be for 30 days from the start date. Some of our other Distributors also acknowledge our group buys and if you are in their area you can contact them as well, just let them know you are with the Tacoma World Forum. I will post them on here for your convienience.
Thanks,
Ben

 

I am going to say that we hold off on the group buy until we are finished with our report.

I have had a number of members expressed that they will not be getting in on a group buy until after the report is finished. I am afraid that if we start a group buy now, the report will not be finished in time for some members to jump on board.

For now, let us hold off on the group buy.

 

What is the cost Normally? What is the % discount.

 

I agree with 007, i want to see a report from unbiased members i trust before i buy anything. I am personally more interested in mav's results since he is testing for the V6.

I do have a question for ecotaz though. I am no stranger to working on engines and have no doubt i could do the install myself. However, i am worried about two things. First, i dont intend to do anything to my engine myself until i am out of warranty. Is there a way i can get someone qualified to install it to ensure i run into no warranty issues? Second question: How do i know the dealer wont blame the device if i have any engine issues down the road? I know some dealers are offering these on new vehicles but i dont know if my local dealer does that. I do know that a dealer will automatically try to blame a warranty issue on an aftermarket part if they get the chance. I'm just worried that i will have a problem and they will say "what is this thing? its not from the factory, it is the problem so warranty wont cover it" What if that scenario were to come up?