Prices in the new car market are about to tank, will Toyota get the memo?

I would be happy if Toyota went to a no haggling, build to order model using Toyota.com. Their distributor to dealers model sucks.

 

No haggle works until it doesn’t. Right now it’s plausible because we’re coming out of a market where markups and compelled accessories was the norm and no haggle looks less customer hostile.

But the market ultimately decides how much a car sells for. Just like it has decided most cars sell for 2-10k over the past 2 years, it may decide 2-10k under is the only way.

Though the makers are more adept at intentionally restraining supply to pump demand. Especially Toyota.

 

Could be better you have the possibility of getting the vehicle you want, I doubt if anyone would pay $20k more for a TrailHunter LB on the lot and because the DCLB SR5 the dealer is getting is 24 months out. I doubt if anyone is going to see a discount on a Toyota truck anytime going forward, unless it's an upper trim Tundra excluding the Pro. Toyota will simply stop building as many of those Capstones and Platinums to reflect demand. There go those discounts. Refreshed HD luxos sles have cut into those units, reflected by the uptick in HD truck sales, and the decrease in Tundra sales. Good chance of seeing more lower trim Tundra production in 24.

 

I am absolutely not an investor and you should not take advice from me.

Buuuuuuuuuuuut. If you think Crypto will go up buy the stock RIOT. It's a bitcoin mining company. What's cool about them is their price reacts strongly to Bitcoin. When BTC goes goes, RIOT goes down much more, but when BTC goes up, RIOT goes up much more. If you do end up buying I would follow it for a while and buy slowly in on days when the price goes down.

 

you’ll fit in here

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/╯°□°-╯︵-┻━┻-sʞuoʇs.688708/page-4160#post-28912552

 

Buy CCL and Atkore

Or don't.

 

I had a dealer pull up a japolink article once in 2018 with the same message. Dealers have been telling that story for years.

 

Sounds like a Utopian reality sold by CNN.

This one is a hoot. "Dell doesn't really make any hardware to speak of so they don really know. No one buys their switches. Almost everything resold or white labeled. They are a little removed but again I think people were saying "china" when they didn't really know country of origin." I do agree that no one buys Dell switch solutions, that market is owned by Cisco and Juniper.

Well, actually, most of it is a hoot. We are printing more money than ever (FACT), thus making people have more money (FALSE), so people can now afford a home (FALSE). The housing market was intentionally artificially hyper-inflated, and in a handful of states still increases (in opposition to the bond market and the interest rates), while most states are down 15-20% in overall value, and those markets are collapsing under inventory bloat. If a person believes they have more money because they got a 3% raise, and inflation went from 1.5% to 9 percent over that same period, they have less not more tangible income. If the chip based commodity market (household goods, vehicles, industrial machine, et al) is shorted by port locking, strikes, embargo's, "held at sea," and in many cases government blockaids to further hurt the overall financial markets (holding and not processing container ships, or Connex boxes once unloaded), the problem is a planned outcome from a US/China agreement.

Here are some uncomfortable facts for those who promote the made in Taiwan or Korea myth (only 58% of common market CPU's come from Taiwan).
South Korea is in effect four companies LG, Samsung, HYNIX, Doosan (yes, Discovery and Celltrion are big, but not in comparison) Most Dell, Lenovo, HP, and Apple are made in CHINA. Yes, Apple has been attempting to mask their Chinese labor abuses by moving a fractional ASSEMBLY function to the US, but the parts still come from the Chinese owned FOXCONN. Dell's components are made in China, but they are assembled in North Carolina, Mexico, India and Taiwan. When China bought the majority share of IBM and IBM computers automagically morphed into Lenovo, all they did was rip the bandaid off of the festering "Made in America" IBM America label.

If you get your "facts" from the big three (CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC) the closest you get to truth is that some event has happened, and the facts will be propaganda that serves the monkey handlers.

 

Don't buy stocks is my tip. Buy T-bills, invest in precious metals, or at the hyper-speculative end of the financial options is crypto. I bought one coin at almost exactly 16k on 11/11/20 and looked like a genius until somewhere around May of 21. Then on 11/20/22 I bought another at 16,4k swearing I would not pull the trigger until it dropped below 16k again. Got lucky twice, I keep an eye on it, but this is wildly speculative investing. and the world government could and probably will outlaw the use of crypto as they find a way out from under their own crypto positions.

I remember 10ish years after we got married and we held a position with First Australia Growth Fund. For about four years they were paying us dividends between 12-15% and they were growing at about the same rate. When they stopped paying dividends and their growth ended up flat lining around 2.5% we got out. The only people currently making real money in the markets are those with the illegal benefit of government leaks, or other insider trading secrets. The you's and I's are told to be happy and celebrate anything below the interest rate, that return tend to be 3-5% on good days, and 6-8 on their best days. 401k's are currently a target of government to help fund the debt, and we divested from our 401k completely in 2020, largely because we had little to no control over their investment decisions, and we had to take their word on gains and losses, all the while those investors were using our (everyone's) money for self-enrichment. DO NOT INVEST IN COMMERCIAL OR PRIVATE REAL ESTATE, there are thousands of commercial properties that now sit empty since Covid, and the private market is collapsing in 60% of the states.

 

Bluepig CNN NBC ABC CBS are in competition with each other They will never work together . I have actually worked and retired from this field after 32 years

 

Imagine liquidating your 401k and investing in T-bills instead

 

Imagine thinking of a 401k as anything more than a ponzi-scheme slush fund. Sure, by all means do the match, but no one is quitting their day job because they invested in their 401k. Its not designed that way.

 

wow. i love the internet.

 

Overly confident investment musings in a truck message group. What’s not to like?

 

i don't know what it is, but vehicle forums seem to attract more than their fair share of "interesting" members.

 

Prices never go down.

 

Unless I'm at someone's house or a bar I haven't watched the "news" in 20 years or so.

The company I work for has not been affected at all by any "port locking, strikes, embargo's, "held at sea," and in many cases government blockaids" (none of that has been a thing for us) and is big into hardware from Taiwan. You saying that (and well just in general) sounds like (to me) anon conspiracy stuff. Maybe stop watching or reading what ever you are.

I don't think Apple has ever successfully masked their Chinese labor. It's always been all over the internet. But Apple doesn't have a bearing on this conversation they don't make processors and don't have anything to do with the the chip shortage, especially the automotive chip shortage.

I don't think anyone ever thought laptops were made in America.

You wouldn't know this holding metal and tbills but if you got out and talked to people or had friends then two years ago you'd be hearing right and left about how people could suddenly afford a down payment because their portolio unexpectedly had been doing really well. Because money was being pumped into the market because it was cheap since it was printed. If you looked at the number of mortgage applications over the years you would see that somehow people had enough money for a downpayment or otherwise could get into a loan.

Because there was too much money it was causing inflation. That's how inflation works. If the money was not in people's hands then they would not be able to spend it. If they can't spend it then there would not be inflation. Inflation doesn't just happen.

Edit: here's a picture from an article in 2021 about the impending inflation from all the money printing
https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/the-most-important-money-statistic-ever-21acb12c27d1

 

You might want to go back in your cave. Apple absolutely makes processors for billions of devices.

 

what processors does Apple make which had a positive correlation to the chip shortage?