4th Gen Blows the Doors off the 3rd Gen

That’s significant.

 

One of those videos shows the front of the seat bolted to a raised portion of the floor kind of like a riser. I can't recall exactly what it looks like maybe it was a square bar or the floor sheet metal was bent to provide the height.

After seeing that I had more questions than answers. Couldn't Toyota design seats with taller brackets? Seems easier than what they did to the floor. I haven't paid too much attention to how seats mount in various trucks.

 

The 3rd Gen seating seems about perfect to me. It is even more apparent when I sit/drive something else. F150 is certainly bigger, but the seating position is odd, feels like you’re sitting on top (like on a stool) instead of in it. When I jump back in my Tacoma, ahhh much better. The ergonomics fit me better, more car like than truck like. Was kinda hell bent on getting a F150, didn’t like the seating positing, the window sill armrest is up higher too.

 

I’m glad you found what fits you.

For me, not enough leg room. Not enough telescopic adjustment of the wheel. Seat too low, my shins are longer than the seat is high, so I have no lower leg support. Seat jackers helped but now the roof is so low I can’t see red lights when at intersections. I’m 6’1”. I didn’t realize how bad it was until we got a Pilot. Its seat is so much better.

 

Pilot is unibody so the seat pan can be lower, friend of ours has one, they are big inside, but feel awkward to me. Sounds like you need a full-size. I am only 5’8”…Taco fits me perfect, it is a mid-size truck afterall. Owned Toyotas since they were mini-trucks. Was refreshing jumping in my little Toyotas after sitting on bulldozers and driving our 2.5 Ton or Tri-Axle dumps all day.

Gotta laugh when people say they want it even bigger, well it has grown over the years, by a lot too. How much more do people need? They need to move up to a full-size then. It is like buying a pair of pants that are too small, then complaining they are too tight.

Current Tacoma cab is quite a bit larger than those 1980s trucks. Heck, midsizes are about the same size as 70-80s fullsizes.

Not a Toyota but you get the idea.

 

I'm 5'9 and I think the Tacoma should be bigger. I still think it is too small. For mid-size, the Chevy Colorado would be the ideal size. I been inside a Cadillac Escalade before, and I felt cramp. I wear 2XL if that helps lol.

 

I'm 5'9, 176 lbs...but I wear 2XL, because I like things to be big and comfortable. I would still fit in a medium. For instance, I used to drive a Toyota pickup RV that was quite big, so even a full-size truck is normal size for me, since the RV was much bigger. Still had no problem with its turn radius.

 

Shoulder width:

mini cooper ~51”
1st gen taco ~52”
Modern Corolla ~ 54”
Ford Maverick ~57”
3rd gen tacoma ~58”
Pilot ~ 62”
Tundra ~65”

I can understanding one wanting the Tacoma to stay the same size, it’s ideal for me. But don’t tell me it’s midsized when it’s closer to a Corolla than a full size PU. And good luck with “get a tundra” when there’s a whopping 7” of shoulder width between them. The pilot/Ridgeline (and dozens of ACTUAL midsized vehicles) are a certain width for a reason, because theyre meant to transport people comfortably while remaining relatively midsized.

The 2nd/3rd and 4th Tacoma is a compact truck. It’s 1” wider than the Ford Maverick. That’s right, it’s Ford Maverick class. It’s basically a lifted Corolla on frame. The 1st gen and “Truck” before it were hilariously small inside, only slightly bigger than a freaking mini cooper. That’s untenable for most users, and hardly considered safe in crash tests.

 

I consider the 3rd Gen a reborn full-size…


My ‘76 F250 RCLB had an exterior width of 80”, my 3G ACLB is 75”. Ford the length was 17.7”, the Taco 17.6”….

 

Guessing you’re not a fan of caves or submarines, perhaps belts too…




This might be better for your comfort zone.

 

Good day gents. Does anyone have any idea on whether or not this new generation with it's new engine will carryover Multi-Port Injection, similar or better then the Atkinson Cycle used for the 3rd Gen? I can't not find a definitive answer anywhere, and I have searched high and low before asking this question. The most I was able to get was that this new engine looks to be a derivative from the Lexus NX, which implements Dual Fuel Injection, nothing concrete though. I would be 100% going for either the TRD Sport or TRD Offroad. Both would be the manual transmission; so I am aware that my engine options would be less then ideal for some, but very much still adequate for my intended usage. I have had nothing but Multi-Port Injection + Manual vehicles over the past 2 decades and would like to keep it that way, as they have treated me very well.

I do have a deposit on a 3rd Gen TRD Sport/OR in either Ice Cap or Lunar Rock, and I am first in line for the next manual that comes in...which I know is a longshot anyway you slice it. I'm in Central NJ near the ports if that should carry with it any hope.

 

@Highway2theTacoZone, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the 3rd Gen V6 engine uses Dual Fuel Injection and not the simpler Multi-Port Injection system.

 

And Gen4 will also have a newer version of D4S on both 2.4T & iForce Max hybrid.

 

In my layperson POV it was my understanding that the two were synonymous, implementing both Port and Direct Fuel Injection in various formats and schematics. I guess certain manufacture's have different names for either. All I know is I do not want Direct Injection only. To each their own of course; there are some things to be gained by its usage, but for me the cons far outweigh the pros.

 

If that is the case that is one thing I would find relieving. Now if I can only get past the absence of the manual handbrake and sans Naturally Aspirated Engine I am sold. I've never owned anything Turbo/Supercharged before.

 

Toyota Tech told me the exact same thing last Tuesday. Don't buy the 2024, wait a year!

 

Because I knew the 4th gen Tacomas were coming, I've been holding off buying a new Tacoma since before Covid. The longer that reveal video went the more disappointed I became and a couple days later tracked down a district manager in another state that would place an order for a 2023 Tacoma (the Chicago regional management SUCKS and needs a house cleaning). There are two things that made the 24 a no-go for me that can't be overlooked.

1. No TRD Off Road in an access cab.
2. Turbo 4 banger engine.

I see a LOT of people with their eyes bugged about how awesome and powerful the new engine is going to be. Well, take it from someone who used to drive turbo 4 bangers exclusively for decades, after a few years you'll be looking for a new vehicle and won't be holding on to your new 2024, mainly because it's too costly to keep. I raced them, I hacked and reprogrammed them, I installed larger turbos and intercoolers, and did unspeakable things to them in the quest for more speed/power. But you eventually realize that replacing major engine parts and rebuilding transmissions more often that you should gets old. I used to think how lucky I was when a cam shaft snapped in half (while simply driving down the highway BTW - more than once) because I could take that opportunity to replace everything inside with performance parts - roller cam, roller rockers, roller lifters, roller followers, etc. I even kept a 2nd turbo car that I decided to keep bone stock so it would last longer. It didn't.

I'm supposed to take delivery of my 2023 in the September/October time frame. I have no doubt it will be on the road longer than had I ordered a 2024.

-Mc

 

Take it from someone who has owned turbo 4 cylinders in the past (and currently): if you don’t hack them up, put larger turbos on them, race them, tune them, and do unspeakable things in the quest for more power, they run just fine

I regularly destroy hard parts on big block chevies by racing them, but wouldn’t hesitate to drive one in a truck. Weird how that works

 

You obviously skipped over the line where I said I purposely kept one totally stock and it had the same issues. I didn't race it. I didn't beat on it. It was my daily work vehicle2. Forcing small engines to do the work of big engines puts a LOT of stress on an engine that really isn't designed to handle it long term. That's a simple fact. Big engines provide big power. Small engines provide relatively small power. Trying to make a small engine perform like a big engine will always result in the small engine having a shorter life span.

But I hope you enjoy your turbo charged 4 banger. The new Tundras are working out great!

 

Now what if designers design the small engine to do the work from the get go? Like toyota likely did? Or like GM has? Or like ford has?

your experience racing turbo 4cyl in the 90s doesn’t have any bearing on modern turbo engines. Toyota isn’t producing an 80s Audi, nor a b18 trying to eat 30psi on pump gas.