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No headlight bulbs to replace?

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Jared1048, Jul 31, 2023.

  1. Aug 8, 2023 at 9:10 AM
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    cryptolime

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    You can't tell much from those photos, one, because the beam pattern is obscured by the garage door structure, and, two, because the garage door is very close to the lights. What we don't know is what happens to the beam at 25 feet away, which is dependent on the lens in the headlight and how the bulb filament interacts with the optical path. So, yeah, these photos are pretty useless.
     
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  3. Aug 8, 2023 at 9:53 AM
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    What are the chances that those after market bulbs are mostly foreground lighting?
     
  4. Aug 8, 2023 at 10:44 AM
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    I'll find the side of a building and test tonight.

    It is pretty useless point blank in the garage
     
  5. Aug 8, 2023 at 10:46 AM
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    There plenty of people with before / after pics to show the added performance. Its pretty obvious who has and hasnt experienced aftermarket LED's
     
  6. Aug 8, 2023 at 11:13 AM
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    I’ve used drop in LEDS in halogen housings. Unequivocally hot garbage. All foreground, zero throw, unacceptable uplight
     
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  7. Aug 8, 2023 at 2:43 PM
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    No, there are not. What you see are a bunch of really shitty photos, usually shot by a very limited dynamic range phone camera on auto exposure with no post processing. Even for long term (40+ years) professional photographers like myself, it's difficult if not impossible to really show in a single still image what's going on. You seem to keep beating your head against the proverbial wall in a misguided effort to make yourself believe something that simply is not. And on top of that, if you don't know how to look at light you won't have any hope of interpreting what you're seeing, or not seeing. And trust me, after nearly half a century in photography, unless you have training, you simply will not know what you're looking at or for. The claimed added performance you reference is from people who have no clue as to that they're talking about and even less about what they're seeing. There simply are no drop in LEDs that outperform the stock H11's or the H9 halogen upgrade. They're all worse and in most cases much worse but it seems like if you just keep repeating the lie that pretty soon you'll believe it and you hope that you'll convince the rest of us who know better.
     
  8. Aug 8, 2023 at 3:51 PM
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    Fahren Termitors look pretty bad. It is definitely going to produce garbage results.

    upload_2023-8-8_15-41-31.png

    Double stacked rows of emitters are far larger than a halogen filament. These have no chance of proper focus and do not replicate a halogen.

    Even their own marketing shows the products don't work.
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    The cut off in the photos is because it is in a projector, has nothing to do with the LEDs. Any light source in a projector will have cut offs. However their own wall shots show that the beam pattern has no hotspot, again because they have no focus, because the LEDs are too large and not properly designed for halogen optics. This shifts the pattern to excessive foreground light and loss of distance light, exactly as shown in their photo. Which is exactly what you do not want and demonstrates the product does not work. Its going to look super bright from the driver seat with all that foreground light, but all the light is in the wrong spot, which reduces your night vision and your distance vision, makes the light not project as far, distracts you by causing you to look closer to the vehicle rather than further away and makes your vehicle much less safe. More Chinesium garbage, just like the headlights you removed.

    Now that you have OEM assemblies, they are capable of real upgrades (once you remove those garbage LEDs). If you want an actual lighting upgrade, swap Philips H9s into the low beams, or Hella 2.0 H9s if you prefer a slightly whiter color. If absolutely set on using PnP LEDs then Morimoto 2stroke 3.0s covered here are the current closest design to a halogen though they are still a compromise and are still easily outperformed by performance halogens.
     
  9. Aug 8, 2023 at 6:26 PM
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    The halogens are much sharper than the Vland stuff... Wish I took a before after shot down my street.

    20230808_205830.jpg
     
  10. Aug 8, 2023 at 6:28 PM
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    Thanks for the detailed response!
     
  11. Aug 8, 2023 at 6:39 PM
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    Vland is low quality, reflectors are much more difficult to optically design and manufacture vs projectors that have a cut off shield. So it is no surprise that a low quality Chinese reflector lamp has poor cut offs compared to a high quality OEM projector, since the projector cut off is determined by the lamp design and not the light source.

    That said, your image shows the exact points I made earlier. There is no defined hot spots in that beam pattern. It is a blob, just like the ones in their marketing photos, which means increased foreground light and loss of distance light. While it may seem much better than the awful Vland lamps you were using, it is still awful. You'll get far better results running halogens in the OEM lamps designed for halogens.
     
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  12. Aug 9, 2023 at 8:18 AM
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    If you know what you are looking for then you will realize that that is not a good result.

    There is a LOT more to it than "looks bright". Using "looks bright" to evaluate performance is akin to using how loud something is to determine its 1/4 mile time.
     
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