4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

I never heard the words, glad this truck has carpet on the floor. Some trims of trucks come equipped with all weather mats or liners. Why is there carpet under the rubber mats?

 

1/2 ton trucks have more capability these days than 3/4 and 1-tons used to. Not sure why they wouldn’t have the capability to make money these days but would have when they were less capable.

 

Think I am one if the rare breeds that actually uses a truck as a truck.

As much as I hate carpet, it does sound deaden a little bit. But if you’re like me usually covered in grime and like to eat in my vehicles, it gets quite the funk over time. Cloth seats are awful too. That RAV4 loner had Soft-Tex, heated and cooled, gotta say those were nice…could see being sweaty from cutting wood all day, and those cooling you off right quick. Can’t imagine them holding up very well though.

Used to drive dump trucks for a living so I hear that! These days (soon) it will be for hauling a camper and play. Still will see plenty of dirt bumping down Forest Service roads.

Oh I know, insane how complex things are anymore. NA V8 is a little less worrisome though. Especially the teething pains the Tundra is going through.

Diesel would be nice, can’t justify the upcharge. And for what I am hauling towing a bit overkill. Plus with the bikes only have to carry one type of fuel. Often after a moto trip, if there is any…I’ll dump the extra fuel into the truck so it doesn’t sit.

 

I'd go with this it's a Lariat but what the hell. F-550 6.7 tDiesel I'd have to get a bed then add a lil Hercules wheel lift, Buck Stop front winch bumper, Magnum cab rack.

https://shop.ford.com/configure/cha....65C.67B.550CC.X4L.]?intcmp=moddetails-bb-fbc

 

Eh, just modern engines. Something will fail, and seems like Toyota rushed this to market maybe? I’m hoping the 2.4T imax is better because I’ll eventually crawl into an LC or 4R.

 

Not sure if it is rushed to market. Maybe the market forced their hand? Remember years ago Swears saying they’ll never do turbo engines, and here we are. Believe trying to compete with the Big 3 on power numbers and size is what is getting them into trouble. That and trying to appease government regulations. Something has to give, my guess it is going to be their legendary reliability.

If Toyota tossed the 4.7 V8 into the Tacoma back in 2005, betcha they would have never gotten all the flack for the 3.5 V6 they put in the 2016, perhaps there would be no need for a Turbo 4.

That said not totally against turbos at all, sure are a hoot to drive. Those T4s sure do feel more truck like than the current 3.5 V6.

 

Germany has been doing turbos for decades without issue, so it seems more like a Toyota problem if they have turbos blowing.

To be fair, I’d never buy an eco boost Mustang over a 5.0. Just because, rowdy V8 manual. Put that in a truck for me.

 

annnnd German cars are super reliable and have great resale value too? I like German cars, however won’t touch one with over 100K miles though. A Toyota, yeah no problem, plenty of life left in it.

How much resale value is lost on a 5-10 year old German car, and a Tacoma? You can pick up a 10 year old Porsche Cayenne for next to nothing.

 

@SwollenGoat -- From what I have able to research to Toyota's parts website, at least 2022-23 Tundra SRs, there is ZERO difference between the detuned (SR) V35A & the standard tune (SR5 & up) V35A, in parts or physical design. Just tuning.

But, who knows about 2024 and beyond since a larger price gap between SR & SR5. I'm a bit afraid some of the value of the SR Tundra is gonna get deleted.....I hope I'm wrong.

The detuned (SR/base Tacoma) T24A loses at least the oil cooler. Of course if you want one, Toyota will sell ya one! Hot Damn! One doesn't wonder too far......

@batacoma -- On the Colorado WT you can't vinyl seats any more. Just cloth, but for $1300 you can have EvoTex! And you have to carpet flooring if you get certain options, can't have a loaded WT and rubber flooring. Make it make sense.

@kakwvu -- Probably has more to do with supply chains being absolute shit the last couple years. But, the 2.4 Turbo has more mechanical parts than electronic. and only 1 turbo, so hopefully. But, the 3.0 V6, 3.4 V6, & 4.0 all had head gasket issues. 3.0 was the worse offender, as we all know.

It's kinda a shame that the T24A has been condemned by so many before we get a taste of it. Nothing is perfect, new or old. the 3.4 5VZ was the "most advanced V6 engine in its class." and yet, bad head gaskets in the first couple of years. worldwide recall too, not just US of A.

And y'all miss the 1-ton eh? I love to get my hands the wonder wagon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Q0mgKCMaw

 

Awesome thanks! I looked and looked, but couldn’t find anything.

 

It's 2013 and you are shopping for a new SUV. Do you go for the MBZ ML, or do you go with the Toyota LandCruiser?

 

Standard Cayenne isn’t special. It’s like buying the lowest level Acura or Lexus. Anyone buying a car for resale value is a fool quickly separated with their money, anyways.

I’ve had several German cars and never had any issues with them, but I also maintain them myself too. Like any vehicle, maintenance is key. The electrical issues that plagued German cars are now everyone else’s problem, German autos just adopted them first because they implemented that stuff way before anyone else.

I lived in Hawaii then, so the LC to romp the trails. That said, I wouldn’t turn down the ML either. I’m not afraid to use torx

 

Somebody that knows how much diesels are to repair, and knows that they need repair more often than people want to admit, if you don't need diesel for what your pulling, you would be better serve without it. A modern diesel 3/4 ton/1 Ton truck is one of those you wanna trade before warranty is out for sure. Unless you like 5-20K repair bills..lol

 

They don't have the capability to put 3-4K in the bed and hook up a 10-15K trailer.... They don't make the best hotshot haulers, they dont make the best dump trailer pullers etc.

 

I'd say it certainly was not rushed, this 4th gen is the most advanced midsize on the market.

The 2.4T has been around since the 2022 MY for Lexus. This engine will see much more widespread usage than the 3.4T since it is replacing the 3.5, so my thinking is that they should have really put the work in to make sure it'll be good.

The 2.4T will be/already is in the: Tacoma, Land Cruiser, Crown, Highlander, Grand Highlander, and more to come

 

I was talking about the Tundra in that regard.

 

Mine came with a standard 100k power train warranty. Figure (hope) if anything catastrophically expensive were to happen, it would show up by then. Otherwise, I’d be shit creek with a hand full of cash for any repair, honestly. But yeah, diesel problems are indeed more expensive problems.

 

I know this has been posted, but still a very interesting read on the 2.4T in its transverse application.
https://toyota-club.net/files/faq/21-09-20_faq_t24-engine_en.htm

I find it very interesting that the cooling circuit for the turbocharger is separate from the engine coolant, and it has its own electric coolant pump and there is even a water to air intercooler on this circuit. (Hopefully that keeps heat soak away better than my WRX's top mount air to air intercooler)

I wonder if that keeps coolant circulating in the turbo after the engine is shut off too

 

All my buddies who own diesels love them until they break. The engines themselves are great, it is all the bullshit around it that fails.

Gasser will go 200-300K without much issue. Good friend of mine who is a senior tech, and used to work for Ford, can have any truck he wants, owns a F350 gasser. Another friend who is a diesel mechanic, does awfully well for himself. Can put his kid through college and pay cash, but why go to college when you can be a diesel mechanic?

 

At what mileage to you get rid of them?

My 1st Gen engine finally went at 435K. It was a head gasket, while I could have just replaced the heads. Decided with that many miles might as well do the whole engine.

Not sure if we are going to see 300-400K mile Turbo 4s. Would like to be proven wrong though.