4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

MT might not be specced to handle the load. Could be a warranty issue. Perhaps a cost cutting measure?

 

I am also reluctant to buy a first year model. However, I bought a 1990 4Runner new and it was trouble free for six years and 98,000 miles. Then it blew a head gasket, but Toyota covered under a "special" warranty. They said the block was warped so they replaced the entire short block assembly for free. It was the same year my wife's Grand Caravan needed a new trans, two years old with 40,000 miles. Dodge told me "Sorry, you need a new trans, $1700". I have bought zero Dodge's since then.

 

The simple fact that the new turbo4 makes vastly more torque at low RPM means gear hunting will be less likely. Same with the hybrid option.

 

They don't have as many turbo issue any more but they do have a bearing failure issue that is trashing engines with no warning when they get. 15-30K on them. As of now, there isn't a rhyme or reason for it that they can point to, like a batch, or build range. Its 22's and 23's.

 

oh boy, I wasn't aware of that issue. Wonder if the vehicles with the same engine (sequoia, LS500, LX600 and Land cruiser 300) all have the same issues or is just the Tundra

Apparently is a lot more common than we know

https://www.tundras.com/threads/bad-engine-bearing.123300/

 

I'm not sure there are too many sequoias with the mileage yet to show the failure, the Lexus engines are not made here, so If they don't have the issue, then it may be an issue exclusive to the US plant. I think the Lexus trucks spec a higher octane fuel. Coincidence, maybe...who knows...lots of speculation no answers from the techs that are in communication with toyota. The one thing that is common is that when it happens, there is no warning, it just shuts down you take it in, and its done.

I was a customer for the Tundra, the issues with the turbo out of the gate and build quality in general made me pause, and now, who knows how many engines will be toast, one thing is for sure, until they can pin down the cause, or batch of engines/vins affected, IMO all of them are a potential failure waiting to happen when they reach whatever magic mileage they get to. I'm not dealing with that headache. The engine replacements I think are pretty much backed up 2 months or more at the moment.

Just once again reminds me to wait 4-5 years into a new model, even with Toyota especially if there are major changes to powertrain and factory changes. Or go into it with the best extended warranty and plans to trade when the warranty is up but at that point, there is no real reason to favor one over the other, so just get whatever is more fun till the warranty is out.

 

Agreed, Can't believe this new engine is having all these issues . It makes you think twice about getting these new trucks!

 

Not Good

 

That sucks. What a nightmare whether it’s under warranty or not. Imagine that happening while you are on a road trip and ruining the whole vacation.

 

On paper, Toyota methodically improved nearly every feature. It’s like they asked ChatGPT to design a truck that would “broaden consumer appeal” over Gen3. Judging by the my-first-truck crowd’s reaction, I’d say they nailed it.

Ride & drive quality, mpg, 1st year & long-term reliability, and cost all still need to be sorted out.

The price increases must be commensurate to the overall content improvements plus drive quality. In other words, we all know that the TH & Pro will be expensive studs, but…the volume trims (2.4T) in particular must be more than just another overpriced new truck (Ranger) that offers a marginally better (4cyl) driving experience & class-leading touchscreen.

 

It's a shame toyota discontinued the 5.7 v8. It would have been nice if they atleast made it an option and mated it to the 10 speed auto...that would have helped with fuel economy.

 

That would have been nice. For some reason Toyota skipped over adding 10 speed transmissions to their existing reliable engines and went right to turbos and hybrids.

 

Detuned or not, keep in mind while the numbers may be lower (down like 50 hp and 30 lb.ft. last I saw, excluding the MT option mentioned above), they hit their peak much sooner. I think passing on the highway may be noticeable that you are down on power, but everywhere else should be as good or better than a 3rd gen v6. Maybe drive it like a diesel and keep the revs low?

I plan on not buying a detuned version myself, but am very interested in driving it compared to my '17 OR. I also am going to ask the dealer to let me tow with a new truck on a test drive to get a real apples to apples comparison.

If the difference isn't too bad, maybe I can save myself a few bucks and going really down-market. I'm more than familiar with the V6 and it's pros and cons by this point.

I'd be really interested in knowing if it is just a software change, or hardware that is making the difference. Maybe a HP and Torque jump is just a tune away?

Hopefully it works out for you, and me lol. I plan to explore every option so I don't have to spend 50k on a dumb truck. I just am not there in life where I have come to terms with that price point for a mid size truck, or even a FS that doesn't do real truck stuff.

Good luck on your quest.

 

My 3rz cam bearings look like that and it has run 60k miles since I noticed it

 

Thanks, those are some good points. Looking forward to some test drives. I’m used to slow cars/trucks, so it may be just fine.

I agree with you, I don’t want to sink 50k into a truck. Even the base model Tacomas I’ve looked at cost more than any new vehicle I’ve ever bought. But if the Toyota reliability is there, I don’t mind paying a bit more.

 

The ‘23 manual Sport wasn’t bad, it’s hard to explain it but I feel as though it makes the truck feel heavier then it is. I think the throttle tuning is not as snappy as the auto, so rowing through the gears I felt like I was driving something heavy. Probably the lack of down low torque.

The auto SR5 really did seem improved over the earlier years.

I’d drive one I think, but I need to wait to drive a 4th gen to make sure I won’t be kicking myself in the butt in a year.

 

I found this about some of the other issues with the new Tundras:


The automaker did recall certain 2022 Toyota Tundras for instrument panels that would malfunction and go blank or display an image from the forward-facing trail cam when the driver shifted into reverse.

There were also three more serious safety-related recalls of the 2022 Tundra. It seems some electric parking brakes failed to engage, a rear axle shaft sub-assembly sometimes came apart because of improper assembly, and the factory tonneau cover sometimes unlatched itself at high speeds. Owners also reported fuel system issues, brake problems, and steering malfunctions with their 2022 Tundras to

 

Knew about those recalls months ago

 

Looking forward to test driving the 4th gen Tacoma hybrid. Will not bother with the i4 turbo since I think that powertrain will be instantly outdated.

When the time comes to trade away my '19 (if ever) I will cross shop against Rivian (R1S and T), electric offerings from Ford and GM, and whatever other electrified products become available in four years (maybe even an electric Tacoma?).

 

I thought you were saying the hybrid will be out dated then I re read it lol