4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

Over 100K the maintenance costs are probably not all that different as new ICE vehicles have extended oil change intervals, 100K Spark Plugs and Coolant. The extra weight of the EV's has them go through tires more frequently.

 

To be fair I believe this started after someone claimed the Gen 4 Taco was already obsolete. So loosely related. It’s not, and will probably be the most coveted Tacoma in the history of mankind

 

I don't think the 4G is already obsolete. I believe there will still be gas powered vehicles ten years from now, but they will be the minority.

I joked earlier today about diesels being the future. While gas vehicles will become less common in the future, diesels will be around much longer. Commercial trucks will take longer to replace so if you really like ICE, get a diesel soon. There will be fewer gas stations as they convert to quick charge stations so you will have to go to the outskirts of town to the TA truck stops for fuel. And of course, you won't have a Tacoma.

 

Prediction, California will lead the pack and by 2035 and 20% of cars in the state will be EV, and the federal mandate will follow the path of Real ID, perpetually delayed. EVs will still be a commodity of the rich and early adopters. Other states will bow out.

We’re in an era where the most mass produced technological achievement of modern times, the phone has mostly been limited to incremental processing, and cameras upgrades that barely match 25 yo results.

 

I'm also kinda wondering how much we are over estimating EV's taking over. Kinda sounds like the whole flying car thing, wasn't that suppose to happen awhile back lol?

I'm sure we will see more and more EVs. But I think Toyota has it right where they see a world with many options, EV, hybrids, plug in, hydrogen, fuel cell, maybe even synthetic fuels.

The whole fully electric by 20XX thing the manufacturings are saying just seems like a publicity stunt that will never happen, or at least not in the proposed timeline.

 

That and diesels are easier to convert to run on alt fuels. The world pretty much runs on diesel, maybe not so much in our passenger vehicles, but goods shipments, we couldn’t live without it if suddenly it disappeared tomorrow. Just the crap that gets transported back and forth between us and China is mind boggling. Then start thinking about OTR trucks and trains, can’t even fathom how that system would function switching to all electric. How’s those Tesla semi’s doing? Haven’t heard much about them lately.

The whole going electric is going to save us thing is kind of ironic. Our constant need to be perfectly comfortable with air conditioning and heat is one of leading sources of energy consumption and green house gasses. Our house’s HVAC is basically operational 24/7. Where my truck maybe gets driven an hour or maybe two a day for normal daily driving. The rest of the time it is parked being unused. Today had off from work, didn’t get used at all. The house however with triple digits temps outside, the AC clicked on and off all day.

 

It was me, more of joke of how Toyota loves to drag their feet, while others manufacturers have already moved on to the next tech.

Remember when Ford came out with the ecoboost? Then Swears stated Toyota will never do turbos…and here we are. Toyota isn’t dumb, let the other manufacturers test the market, if that is what the market demands, then they finally throw their hat into the ring. Same thing with EVs, let Tesla, Ford, Rivian be the beta testers. Though with government mandates coming down the pike, it might force their hand sooner than they wanted. As of which they already did by firing the ceo, and put a pro ev one in his place.

 

Im equating it to the mid 2010’s where most people thought we’d be owning self driving cars in 15-20 years.

Honda must be the smartest of them all .

Toyota is selling ICE/hybrids because that’s what people actually want to drive. Not any more complicated.

 

Ha!

Do they? I have driven hybrids as most of my family owns them, Prius, Highlander and a RAV4, they are fairly boring. Can’t say I wanted to drive or let alone own one. Granted the Tacoma is going to be a different animal, while diesel is pretty much dead for passenger vehicles, would have much preferred a diesel, at the very least it would get better fuel economy than the hybrid. Euros get a 100% biofuel version, see that being better for the environment than a gas hybrid, that may only get marginal better fuel economy than the out going generation.

 

Only have experience with a 2012 Prius V I owned and hated for 4 years and the 2020 highlander that gave me PTSD on a test drive years later, funneling me to a v6 Honda Pilot. Honorable mention to a 2011?Honda Insight I got for next to nothing that was actually a fun little car. Wish I still had it.

But yeah, Tundra/Tacoma hybrids are a different animal, and most reports are the 2023 Prius is as well.

But the popularity of the Sienna and RAV4 prime is telling the story.

 

From Toyota Instagram comments…

 

Agreed. They are a lot of us that have no desire for an EV. Kinda foolish for a car company to put all of their eggs into the EV basket, so to speak.

 

The story about the sales of the Siena and Rav4 prime I want to hear is when battery replacement time comes around for those buyers. and all that alleged savings goes out the window....(not that there is much of that to begin with if people look at it logically)....How many people would have bought a vehicle if the company selling it tells you you will have to replace the engine in 10 years....(none)...but yet...here people are doing exactly that with EV's.

It's the big elephant in the room that none of the EV proponents like to talk about, nor will acknowledge mainly because the financial demographic of the EV buyer tends to trade the car in less that 5 years and moves on to something else. Which if fine for a niche vehicle category, for the category to go mainstream, not only does the infrastructure have to vastly improve...but the entire vehicle support system has to adapt etc. And as it adapts there are quite a few holes being found.

I haven't looked very hard for the info and would not expect to find the truth, but how many years of the minerals that we take from the earth to produce the powerplants for the EV's are in existence? How many years until it is depleted if all vehicles switched? And why does the govt have to bribe people with money to buy a car?

 

Majority of the car buying public are homogenized bores.

I tend not to like what is popular, yeah I know, do own a Tacoma which is wildly popular. It isn’t exactly what I want to drive though. It fills needs more than wants. At times it doesn’t even fill the needs, it is a lackluster compromise vehicle.

That and have been driving them long before they became popular, 30 years ago I got made fun of for driving “Jap Crap”, and now look at them.

And people blowing their wad over a hybrid version, I don’t get it. It “might” get halfway decent fuel economy, but it is going to cost you an arm and a leg to get it. C’mon Toyota have been waiting decades for the little truck that can’t haul or tow much, to achieve reasonable fuel efficiency and this is what you give us?

If the the Tundra hybrid is any indication, don’t see the logic of having to spend gobs of money to save a little on fuel. My SR had a base of $33K, guessing the hybrid will start around $48K, it “might” get 25-27 mpg. My truck is currently averaging 20 mpg. Can do the math, would take an awful long time to pay for itself. I am self employed so I look at the bottom line a lot among other factors before purchases.

How much are those RAV4 Primes again? Start at $41K. The base model starting at $28K makes more financial sense.

 

We've been over this man. The hybrid is a power adder. No one is buying a pro tundra with the hybrid for the additional 2 mpg, they are buying it for the additional powah.

 

Astonishing how many are so afraid of hybrids and EVs having never owned or driven them so their only go to is to shun them.

 

If I were to pony up for a iForce max in either truck it would be for the power, not the 1 mpg.

But yeah, buying a new tundra or 24 Tacoma to save gas over a truck you have is a financially moronic decision.

 

Could get a V8 with more HP, or a turbo diesel with more torque. Not an option with Toyota, that's why they went hybrid with their turbo gas trucks.

They do have their issues, the Ford powerboost makes more power and gets better mpgs than the ecoboost it's based on. Substantialy better mpgs compared to the 3.4 and 3.4 hybrid from Toyota. I doubt if any of these engines get fuel economy and power at the same time.

People can always buy what they want, but the Prime Rav4 over a standard Rav4 makes no sense to me. I'm they are both nice vehicles and the Prime does get you Japanese build quality.

 

That is the thing I have driven them, close family members own them. My mom has the hybrid Rav stepfather the Highlander, and my aunt the Prius. Driven all those recently as this past February, yep they all get great mileage, the vehicles themselves are rather drab. Can’t say I would own one, had a non-hybrid Rav TRD for a week and half. It was an “ok” car, can’t say I would spend my own money on one though. Only thing I liked about it that I wish my truck had was the vented seats, those were niiiiiice.

Have driven a Tesla too, man it is quick! The build quality is quite laughable. Not that I am a sports sedan type of person, but if I were, give me a BMW or Mercedes instead for that price of admission.

I know, however there is a group on here that think based on the new Land Cruiser specs that it is going to get combined mpg of 27. So it just might get halfway decent fuel economy.

Know I am a very small demographic, want a basic do-it-all little truck that could achieve 30 mpg, that doesn’t break the bank, but Toyota even ruined that. Took most of the utility out of the utility trim. Ever since I saw they killed the access cab, literally count in my head how many times a day I use mine, then murmur in my head “fucking Toyota, why did you kill this in the ‘24s…” *smh*

Then the power plant that might get better mpg, is aimed at the Bros…


Tell ya Toyota is more of a let down than anything, not even sure why I stick around.

 

Not really into all out power, don’t even use my current truck to its full potential.

Toyota, where is the basic little truck that gets 30 mpg?

Dunno, they have gotten far away from their roots.