4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

EV is literally so old that people actually think it’s new. It lost its first cage-match w ICE in the early 1900’s. Then the 1970’s. And 1990’s. Sure battery technology changes, but they still weigh way too much, and are a big drag on the ecosystem, if you’re concerned about that sort of thing. Better than ICE overall? Sure, I guess.

Ten (!) years ago they tried to tax-credit consumers into them, didn’t work. So, by 2030 we will be state-mandated into our new EV future. Not sayin’ good or bad, just sayin’.

We’ll all eventually be driving 6000lb EV Tacomas, but at least Toyota is thinking outside the box:

https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-to-assemble-fuel-cell-modules-at-kentucky-plant-in-2023/

ICE- Hybrid - EV - FuelCell+. Hopefully, Toyota can help us get to “the real future” sooner than later.

 

yep on all accounts.

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/pro... first vehicles he designed,speed of 25 km/h.

 

I'm curious about battery replacement in the hybrid as well. Can you upgrade the battery as the tech gets better? Could someday we put a solid state battery in our hybrid Tacoma? Will aftermarket do this or Toyota?

 

Probably not. Could be planned obsolescence, or current technology not supporting future technology due to advancements. Waiting to get the later EV tech seems like the best approach to going EV. Better tech at lower costs.

 

https://jalopnik.com/toyota-prius-hybrid-battery-swap-is-surprisingly-easy-1850404554

 

You're using too much logic here, the EV fanboys are going to call you close-minded.

I would drive the new Prius in a heartbeat though

 

Folks have refurbished packs for 1-1.5k, I'd probably still opt for the OEM one at 2-2.2k.

It sucks that the iForce Max pack takes up all of your underseat storage, but the flip side of that is how easy it is to get to it.

 

Toyota is making the Stout just for you. Yes, it's a unibody but the videos of Mavericks off road show that a it's capable of doing more than the average truck user does with their body on frame truck.

 

Probably have a useless 4.5’ bed too…want 30 mpg, and need it to be useable. Unibody like a Maverick isn’t it.


The kicker is they already manufacture the truck I want. It isn’t like it is a dreamed up fantasy. Extra cab with access doors, 4X4, diesel (easy 30 mpg) loads of torque, tray back for those of us who actually use our trucks as trucks.

This truck is $54K AUS which converts to roughly $35K USD, that sounds about perfect to me.

 

Depending on where you live, diesel about 10% more than gas so a 27mpg gas = 30 mpg diesel.

 

I was thinking along the lines of full BEV. If I had a Prius and it needed a new battery I'd trade the Prius in on a new ICE Corolla, but I probably would have bought the Corolla in the first place. The new Prius looks cool for a small sedan.

 

That's the perfect truck right there.

Although it would be pricey I wouldn't mind having a MBZ Sprinter 3500 AWD turbo diesel DRW cab chassis with a tray.

 

Uni body's can off road when needed, the Jeep Cherokee XJ is a unibody

 

I run premium in my truck, so I am paying more than diesel. 91 is $4.19, diesel $3.73 currently. Range also plays a factor for the “wants” for me. 30 gets me a lot better range for traveling.

Toyota will never bring a diesel. So I don’t even know why I look.

As for the ultimate wants. I would do a vintage Ford crew cab with modern running gear, with and Alaskan camper, so I can go plunk around around the West without a care in the world, toss in being fully retired in there too…that is what I “want” (to do and drive) My Tacoma is a hell of a nice truck, not exactly what I want, but it will do.

This has a 7.3 Godzilla, would do a coil front suspension though if it were mine.

 

I'm sure, nobody wants to answer the hard questions with the utopia of savings etc that doesn't really exist. There is the old, oh man the environment, the only time I will entertain that as any kind of justification is if the person I am talking-to has bought a smaller house, is off the grid with nothing but solar, and rides a bicycle everywhere they go....that guy cares about the environment...everything else is just noise.

When all the resources have been stripped from the earth to make batteries, the oil rigs will fire up again and we will be right back to where we started...lol.

I actually see a lot of use for alternative powered vehicles, but between the immediate degrading of the powertrain over time, inevitable cost of replacement, if the battery is even available to be replaced, I don't think at this time its a viable solution for mine or my families use.


https://www.thedrive.com/guides-and...for-these-six-normal-evs-is-staggeringly-high

 

I hope they bring out a stout. Same size as 1st gen. An actual small truck

 

I used to mess around with vintage muscle cars with modern engines and suspension. Not as reliable as new cars. Not as comfortable as newer cars. Performance was about the same as newer cars. They looked good but were just expensive toys. If a vintage Ford crew cab is your benchmark, you're never going to be happy with anything Toyota brings to market. I'm not saying what you want is bad, but Toyota does not even track your demographics, let alone design cars for it.

 

Same, used to mess around with muscle cars when I was younger. All it is, is nostalgia, a dream rig to fill some odd fantasy I have going on in my head. Toyota actually does build something close to that Ford. Tundra crew cab 6.5’ bed. Albeit a bit light on payload, would have to do a Four Wheel Camper instead of the Alaskan. The sheet metal isn’t bent as cool in my eye as the old Ford, will accomplish the exact same thing. Bumping around on back roads exploring the West.

The point being was, what I want and what I need are two different things. When it comes down to it, probably don’t really “need” it either. You know what I mean Vern?

That new Land Cruiser certainly touch on the wants, they sure bent the sheet metal better than on the 4G. Would have to send it to Maltec to fill the camper part of the wants.

 

I traded my '90 4Runner for an '01 Tundra and the Tundra for a '12 Tacoma. A new car every 11 years. When the '22 Tundra came out, I thought "perfect, I'll get a second year '23". But the new Tundra is even bigger than the last one and the turning radius is worse, so my interest dipped a little. Then the new Tacoma comes out and gets my interest. Having to wait until Spring '24 (for a Pro) will make my current Tacoma 12+ years old. Only 78K miles so its in great shape but I'm definitely ready for something new.

Because the new Tacoma is built on the same TNGA-F platform that the Tundra, Sequoia, and J300 Land Cruiser have been on for the last few years and the new Turbo/Hybrid engine is also being launched on the "flagship" Land Cruiser and the Japan market GX, Toyota must have high confidence in it. So a first year Tacoma should be solid right?

But then I think, wait another 6 months for the '25. Of course, then I'll get sucked into the '25 Tacoma BEV which they'll tease early but not make available until Spring '25. Toyota currently only has one BEV, the bZ4X/Lexus RZ which just came out and isn't that impressive. I'm less confident a first year BEV will be trouble free. Wait until '26? Four more years!

At this point I'm thinking a '23-24 Tundra or a '24 Tacoma and keep it only4-5 years. By then there should be a solid BEV truck available.

 

Ha! Somewhat similar timeline, ‘85 4Runner to ‘92 RC Pickup to ‘99 Tacoma, which I drove the longest and still have, bought my 3rd Gen in October of ‘21. Coming up on two years of ownership. In three plan on retiring from the day job. (Will still work, but from home) Current plan is I upgrade to new truck in three years, we sell the 1st Gen, and she gets the 3rd Gen. At least that is the plan this week. In 10 years she retires…then what? Perhaps sell off everything and hit the road full time. Like around the World travel full-time. What that vehicle will be have no idea, can’t imagine trying to take a BEV around the World.