How the iForce MAX system works (Toyota video)

If you are climbing a mountain pass for 15 uninterrupted minutes at 5000+rpm and full throttle, how tall is that pass?

 

11,300ft at the top. And yeah, it's a long pass. Google Monarch Pass. And there are plenty of others like it. It's rough up there an NA engines really suck for the purpose.

 

Oh that is way up there. I guess I very rarely pull at full throttle and rpm for that long, but even so the turbo 4 will vastly improve the experience after the battery depletes

and the 8 speed should help, too

 

The battery doesn't deplete it's constantly charged from the generator.

 

Right but if the system is giving 278hp from ICE and 48hp from electric, the 48hp still has to come from the ICE side once you deplete 1.87kwh of battery, which happens in about 3 mins at 48hp.

so a full throttle pull for 15 minutes would either have you running on less than full rated power (that was the question originally), or the system is actually a 326hp rated ICE engine.

 

Okay, once again, the generator is always charging the battery. That's why it's so small. It can easily and quickly be in a state of charge. Again....the battery is always charged!!!

 

Right but that energy isn’t free. It takes power to spin the generator. So to constantly produce 48hp from the electric side, it requires 48hp (plus efficiency losses) from the ICE engine

not a problem in normal driving because people don’t often use full power for 3+ mins, but the original question was about such a scenario

 

So, it still puts out the power. Why do you dispute every fact and spin it to your world? Very odd.

 

I didn’t “dispute” any fact. I responded to this question:

with an explanation of why there are situations —that are highly improbable—in which rated power wouldn’t be available.

I even pushed back against the idea that it would ever be an issue, but one guy apparently runs full throttle at max RPM for 15 minutes regularly, so there we go

 

Right, I have the factual response I believe even referenced in the video but you still 2nd guess.

 

The video doesn’t cover that specific situation. In normal driving, I agree that zero people will ever experience anything but rated power.

but it’s not possible to do so for the hypothetical 15 minutes at full throttle and RPM, so there are edge cases where power is less. That’s the answer to the question to which I responded

 

You keep saying that but I've yet to find any information that supports that claim. Where did you see that stated by Toyota or another equally reputable source? It's not in the video. The video specifically states, "the motor/generator works with the internal combustion engine to drive the wheels as well as regenerate electricity when costing or braking for maximum efficiency."

Asking because almost no hybrid systems work the way you described. Most hybrids use electrical energy from the battery to meet high demand for power where the engine alone is inadequate or inefficient. As an example, starting from a dead stop in first gear is the least efficient way to use an ICE engine. So many hybrids get you off the line and the engine kicks in once you're moving. Another typical use case is when the user asks for a large amount of power very quickly (AKA: WOT) and the vehicle gives it everything it has. The last scenario is why Toyota is claiming a "combined" output of 326 hp / 465 lb-ft.

 

This isn't a typical hybrid like a Prius or Camry. They have larger batteries while this type of system supplements the ICE engine with extra HP and torque when demanded of it.

 

Cite your source for what you're claiming about the battery always being charged. The video you posted doesn't support that claim and this is supposed to be a thread clearing up confusion about the system and how it works (per your first post).

 

Start at 5:30. It may answer some questions.

 

In case he doesn’t click to watch; at that time stamp:

“if the battery is depleted, you still have the horsepower and torque output of the twin turbo v6, which is still pretty high.”

 

This vid is also quite good. He covers a lot of details (like the fact the AC compressor is electric and there's no alternator). His verbal cadence is a bit slow so you can increase the speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkXiYiGWZnE

 

Well I read on Toyotas site that the battery is always in a charged state that's why I said this. If I'm wrong my bad. I was only quoting what I read. I will try and find it. Not a big deal really.

 

Oh I’m sure that it is. It’s a truly insane situation to drive at full throttle at max rpm without ever lifting your foot at all.

 

Australian Tundra gets amber turn sinals in the tails, to meet compliance. Also hybrid
https://www.drive.com.au/news/2024-toyota-tundra-pick-up-hits-melbourne-streets/


I believe both Tundra and F-150 are exclusively available in hybrid configurations only.