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Oh I know! You are living the dream. We are striving for that, we live fairly lean but could do better.

You can give up cake, after my wife’s bout with colon cancer we are on a zero sugar diet. Those sugar alternatives are awful, not sure they are any better for you. After you’re off it for awhile your body no longer craves it. I never had a sweet tooth, plus was raised by a hippy mom as an organic vegetarian, so the diet adjustment was easy for me.

With the obesity rates here in America, probably be good if millions of others gave it up too, just think of what positives that would do for people’s health and the environment. People actually taking care of themselves would be a better start than buying an EV. But that is hard, majority of people don’t like hard.

I live in an AG area, sugar beat season is almost here, from the fields to trucking it to the processing plant is quite the environmental disaster. If we gave up sugar, we could re-wild those fields and processing plant. Just think of how much diesel wouldn’t be burned. Few actually stand back and look from a wider scope how that cake came to be.

A lot of that farm land is disappearing with all the West Coasters moving here, building 4000-5000 sq ft houses, sure it may have solar panels and they drive Teslas, majority of them have multiple children, woman I was chatting with on Saturday who is a recent transplant has 4. Are they really doing the planet any favors or are they just virtue signaling?

 

You've already been told how to think about EV's by your echo chamber. My posting CO2 numbers has no way to compete with that. The numbers support the gods honest truth that EV's are dirty, ICE cars are dirtier. As for your ideas on minimalism, I mostly agree. Voluntary extinction is laughable, and Musk is still a douche nozzle.

 

I like EVs and the tech. But truly curious on those CO2 numbers, it was an honest question. And that is the thing with EVs, if you start asking serious questions, the nitty gritty of it all. EV proponents get awfully defensive, generally the come back is always “well anything is better than fossil fuels” My question: is it really and how much better? I want to see the data.

My wife and I don’t believe in having offspring, (never had the desire) so I am practicing what I preach. It really isn’t that difficult, actually makes our life a hell of a lot easier, side effect is a much lower impact on the environment.

And yes, Musk was always a douche nozzle and will continue to be.

Alright…need to go ride my bicycle. It’s been fun! lol!

 

Posted a lot but he accounts ALL plastics and mining etc. to build and operate and still a 3-4 years after purchase the EV is better for the air than any petrol vehicle which pollutes much more than an EV during the 3-4 year period. After that the petrol vehicle continues to pollute while the EV won't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2IKCdnzl5k

 

Now you're just trolling. If you were truly curious you would have looked it up long ago. But wHy dO Ev PRoPOnEnTs gEt DeFEnSIve? For the same reason posting on Tacomaworld as your first post "can I fit 35's without trimming" gets a bad response. Just search it already, it's old news, covered by a multitude of reputable sites.

If you really want details click on this link and read for yourself
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ev+vs+ice+environmental+impact&atb=v314-1&ia=web

 

Why buy an EV when you can borrow the one your cousin rented?

 

Like I was saying…


…was giving you a chance to show off your math skills and give us some simple percentages. And we wonder why there is such resistance to get people to make the switch to EVs. Their owners tend to be incredibly smug when you start asking deeper questions.

 

https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/are-electric-vehicles-definitely-better-climate-gas-powered-cars

 

The heck with these EV I'm taking the bus.
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2023/0...ed-for-smoke-inhalation-in-electric-bus-fire/

 

There we go.

Thanks crazysccrmd.

Do wonder what the CO2 emissions are of building the new factories, plus all the housing for the workers, keeping them fed, plus their own personal footprint.

Look for a bit, didn’t find much…not sure how far I want to go down that rabbit hole.

 

Now throw in scrapping a vehicle with a huge battery. A battery that is a real PIA to remove (ie Tesla). Only 90% of that battery is recycled, the other 10% is trash/waste. Some batteries don't even get recycled, the entire battery wastes away in a landfill.

 

Yeah, I don’t want have the time to dig too deeply either. I try to find studies from trusted institutions as well as published articles from both sides of the political spectrum. I figure that will lend the most balanced insight into the specific details.

I don’t think there’s any way to avoid the human costs - people just aren’t likely to stop having kids which means the resultant environmental impacts are a given.

 

Tesla batteries are not hard to remove. I’d argue it’s easier than pulling an engine from most ICE vehicles. The rest of the scrapping process is no different than any other vehicle on the road for the last 70 years.

https://youtu.be/leM7Ne9eax4?si=sSgl2s7K8ujKhhMa

 

It is kinda fun researching the stuff…but yeah, think I rather go watch hard enduro videos.

Oh yeah, there is no way people are going to stop having children, do find it ironic when people say we need to save the planet for the children. ummm….they not realize that is arguably one of the worst things for the environment. Kinda like the Californians moving here complaining that all the farm land is disappearing because of housing developments. ummm…

The counter to that is “No Farms No Food”…..ya know, if you quit feeding them.

 

Ice engines now a days are pulled by a large machine when at a scrap yard, in one swift movement. They don't need a human to go in there and remove every bolt and carefully lower the battery down. Takes way longer to remove an EV battery by hand.

 

My wife was reading up on battery life, she is sorta interested in EVs. 8-12 years depending on conditions. Wasn’t long enough for her, as my 1st Gen is going on 25 years old nearly a half million miles and just now putting a fresh engine in, probably good for another 25 years. So which is better keeping an old ice vehicle going, or buying a new EV, then in 8-12 years have to replace the battery.

 

That was pretty cool to watch but not really applicable. That is a total scrap operation not a salvage operation. Nothing they are ripping out is usable other than for bare scrap resource recovery. If the engine is being removed for reuse humans are doing the work.

 

They aren’t rated in years, but in actual usage (miles). They don’t just stop working at 8 years and in fact are covered under warranty by most manufacturers to retain at least 70% capacity for at least 8 years. Typical usable life for an EV is 300-500k miles after which the battery pack is still fully usable for other purposes or recycling the raw materials for new batteries.

 

Picked up StormTrooper last week. Added Acceleration Boost and it puts a smile to my face every time I punch the throttle.

 

The metal in that engine will be recycled. They aren't wasting their time disassembling that car for nothing.

When they recycle an EV battery they have to completely dismantle the battery. That takes man hours and resources. Point is there should be more research done on the post life of an EV.

In my shop last week a Prius came in with 200k miles (I'm a mechanic). The previous owner put tape over the check engine light. Well check engine light is on and the code literally reads "replace hybrid battery." I've seen Camry hybrids need battery replacement at 150k miles.

My 2001 Land Cruiser has 232k miles and my V8 engine is running strong as ever.