4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

The dealership in Dublin has a lot.

 

Sorry, it's 100 miles of range, in some cases, in 5 minutes. Also, Toyota plans to use their own pouch cell battery tech.

https://insideevs.com/news/632130/15-brands-testing-storedot-ev-battery-breakthrough/#:~:text=According to Green Car Congress,100 miles of driving range.

 

100%. Seeing plenty of articles this week saying how EV manufacturers have to turn to deep discounts and rebates to try and sell their garbage. The EV crowd already jumped on it. Nobody else is buying the lies nor do they want EV's to be their main vehicle. I've said it from day 1 and will continue to say that if nobody buys these things, they won't be mandated b/c no manufacturer is going to go belly up over a government mandate. Porsche already altered their expectations. Others will, too.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zps3yKqSWg

https://insideevs.com/news/659479/tesla-to-top-vw-bmw-and-mercedes-in-us-sales-in-q1-2023-cox/

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a45460316/2023-luxury-brand-sales-race-after-tesla/

Don't have a dog in this fight as there isn't a vehicle that fits my needs like the Tacoma. But, I don't think things are what you say they are.

 

Like every industry they have their ups and downs. People on here said Rivian was almost out of business now they are having their best year ever now they are selling commercial EV delivery vans. US drop in sales and automaker rush to make EV's make a bad product. Another reason Toyota was right to wait for faster charge and longer range batteries. Toyoda-San was right all along. Others still think they will be forced to buy an EV. Another scare tactic.

 

That is all possibly true. Personally, if I were still working and commuting to said work I would buy a Tesla. But right now I just have an off-road, problem-free RV and love it.

 

Current battery tech is good for my 14 mile round trip for work. For longer distances with more charging it's just not for me.

 

It also seems like we’re making vehicles that most people don’t want and can’t afford. Not many people want to buy a $100K EV truck with 700HP. If you made a regular truck with normal HP at a reasonable price then maybe more people would actually buy one. If they take something really cheap like that new $10K Toyota truck and put an EV power train in it then you would catch another segment of the market that just wants cheap and reliable transportation.

 

Guessing you missed where Tesla just took a 28 Billion Dollar loss. That is what I assumed Drawn was referring to. EV market is still growing, but at a much slower rate.

https://fortune.com/2023/10/25/toyo...cles-ev-ford-gm-tesla-earnings-elon-musk/amp/

There are other ways to achieve carbon neutrality, EV proponents seem blind to it though. Toyota is smart, why they are always slow to change. They watch what other manufacturers are doing, then improve upon it. Why it took so long to get turbo engines. They let their vehicles speak for themselves instead hype like what Musk does. He is in it for the short term, Toyota like their vehicles are in it for the long haul.

 

The Ford Model T came out in 1908 and the first commercial gas station didn't come out until 1913.

EV range will soon surpass ICE range and charging time will be equivalent to pumping time (not to mention you can charge at home but can't pump at home).

Cousin's Tesla in Ludicrous mode is literally breathless. No one will be complaining about not enough power with EVs.

I don't want an EV today but in 3-5 years I will likely have no reservations. Really disappointed Toyota isn't offering a PHEV Tacoma. Would have been a great transition vehicle. However, if Toyota offered an EV Tacoma with 5-600mi range today I would seriously consider it. I could make it work knowing charging station availability would continue to grow.

 

Yep, just don’t see the point of a 700hp truck for street use, nor wanting to pay $100K for it either. That is for the social status crowd. So what…. they can race stop light to stop light, then wad it up blasting down the highway because they can’t handle it.

Rather have practical, economical and greater range. Where is that truck?

Not sure how they expect EVs go to main stream when they are building for the upper side of the market.

 

More like 10 years for me. It is a shame Toyota isn’t doing a PHEV Tacoma, that would be just about perfect for me. After having a fleet of vehicles in our construction company to tend to, now I only want one vehicle to take care of.

Instead Toyota did a hybrid truck targeted at the Bros, more about all out power than practical daily use. Sure it may get slightly better mpgs, but you’re going to have to pay through the nose to get it.

 

Currently. EV makers are cognizant of the lower priced EV market need. Nissan and Chevy realized this market and successful at it.

 

Are they successful? Don’t see them out numbering gas vehicles. There are a handful running around. Here in Idaho the pickup truck is the dominant vehicle, no economical EV pickup exists. Even the current high dollar ones aren’t practical for heavy work use.

 

No they don't outnumber gas vehicles. That's not a measure of their success though. Just availability for those that don't have $50k for a new EV.

 

Bezos lost money year over year with Amazon just to dominate the market. Musk won't end up dominating the EV market but he already got Ford and GM to adapt to the Supercharger network. When gas stations are gone, he will own all the "filling" stations. He's playing the long game.

 

Musk is a long term product investor not really an innovator. HIs fantastical personal ideas have worked for him though.

 

Maybe we have different definitions of success. Once they outsell the econo box gas equivalent, then I would call them a success.

An EV makes perfect sense for my wife since her commute is so short, heck a golf cart would work for her, but we chose to fix the old Tacoma instead simply because it was more practical for us. We can afford much more, but she really hates spending money on dumb cars. They are an appliance to her. Which I am sure is the case for a lot of consumers.

 

PHEV seems like a good option. We have been thinking about getting a 4XE Willys Wrangler. In town trips like picking up kids at practice could be done on the 20 mile all electric mode. The problem is it costs $11K more than the gas only model and it looks like you can now only get $3750 of tax credits on it and no state credits. There is some weird loophole where you can get $7500 credit if you lease one though. I see a ton of them on the road lately so maybe most people are just leasing them.