4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

And your solution (to appease everyone) is?

 

There isn’t one. I’m just trying to explain to you that “but they have diesel elsewhere in the world” doesn’t make the North American business case for it work.

Honestly, a torquey turbo 4 (with or without the hybrid assist) is a pretty solid solution for most NA buyers given the North American regulatory and fuel supply chain environment.

 

You’ll definitely like this truck. And so will about 300k others next year. Debate over Gen4 is healthy, but there’s no argument that they clearly sweated every last detail, so lots of room for optimism. Time will hopefully settle down the reliability questions. But even with some anticipated early hiccups, we already know that Toyota will obsess to make it right.

And for owners trading Tacos, do the rest of us a big favor: Don’t accept the Used Car Manager’s sob story appraisal and give away your Gen2’s & Gen3’s for a handful of beans. 30 years of solid stats means that you only have yourself to blame if you complain here about resale values.

 

Nice thing about biodiesel is, you can make it yourself. Good friend of mine in Tucson does it, showed me how, it is super easy. Don’t have to be a software or electrical engineer to work on your own vehicle either. He had a VW pickup that got 50 mpg, and an old Mercedes. Hardest thing about it was harvesting the WVO, so you’re killing two birds with one stone, using a product at the end of its life cycle to fuel vehicles.

If they can make a business case for expensive environmental destroying EVs they can make a case for biodiesel. Could actually be cheaper and less impact on the planet.

 

Right, but toyota isn’t making the case. Those are country-level regulatory issues/priorities that toyota must REACT to, not CREATE.

And making your own biodiesel sounds great but isn’t something that is common enough for Toyota to plan product lines around.

 

I think you are right. Toyota would really be shitting the bed to ruin the Tacoma line with something not worthy of the name.

I can understand people not liking change. I generally don’t like it myself. However I am like you. I think people are going to really like this truck. Even if they only stick with the non-hybrid engine.

 

Toyota is already doing it for Western Europe. Don’t see why it couldn’t be applied here. Americans love their fried foods…

From the press release.

“HVO100 has the potential to deliver a significant reduction in CO2 emissions compared to fossil diesel – up to 90% if it’s made from used cooking oil“ -Toyota

https://www.toyota-europe.com/news/2023/reducing-emissions-with-hvo100-fuel

 

It will be an extremely long time before there is no gasoline. Probably never. We aren’t going to take millions of functional cars, motorcycles, boats, lawn equipment, etc and throw it in the scrap yard.

 

That is a mind boggling environment disaster within itself.

 

Those are pilot projects, not projects designed for tens of thousands of Tacomas per month. They’re to inform future design of supply chain policy, not 2024 model year decisions

 

The bio-diesel compatible engines can also run on regular diesel, wouldn’t take much to get them up to US emissions standards. Diesel network is already available. The world literally runs on diesel. It is how my iPad that I am typing on got into my hands.

It could be upscaled to handle tens of thousands of Tacomas per month. Toyota is the number one auto manufacturer in the world, pretty sure they can make it happen, and are in Europe.

“HVO100 fuel pumps are becoming an increasingly common sight at filling stations across Europe. Currently around 1,000 filling stations offer HVO100 in Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Norway and Sweden. The fuel is labelled XTL at pumps and the same XTL label is found on the filler cap of HVO100 compatible vehicles. At the same time as more customers are switching to HVO100, production is increasing. The ambition by 2030 is to be producing 15.5 million tonnes of HVO100 every year. Currently around four million tonnes are produced per year.” -Toyota

 

Lol!

Ya know if Toyota would have the builder go live that would be great!

Otherwise it is nonsense bullshitting to try and get through the work day, much rather be out exploring…than this horseshit or being stuck at work.

 

Plus what uses more energy, raw materials and pollution? Continuing to use an ICE vehicle which already exists or manufacturing a new EV or hybrid one?

 

There are a few biodiesel stations here in MA. There’s a Hydrogen station too. Too bad I don’t have a vehicle that could run either of them.

 

Exactly my point!

 

It does take a lot to bring small diesels up to emissions standards in the US, and the cost often isn’t worth it with ultra low sulfur diesel being much more expensive than 87 octane in most markets.

It’s not that toyota cannot scale production, it’s that the decisions that drive marketing for huge volume sellers must be made inside of an existing regulatory framework. US regulations and culture skew away from making diesels sell well in light trucks and small vehicles, which is why nearly every manufacturer has pulled away from it. It’s not because they just haven’t thought of making biodiesel compatible engines or bringing global engines to the NA market.

15.5m tonnes by 2030! Sounds huge.

the US consumes half a million tonnes of diesel per day. So they might get to one month worth in a decade

 

Anyone want to make a guess on what the epa highway mpg will be for the 4th gen 4WD? My guess is 24 for the turbo and 25 for the hybrid with real world numbers coming in lower. What’s your guesses?

 

Toyota already has a CARB compliant diesel.

https://www.dieseltoys.com/2016-2023-tacoma

Big 3 diesels are able to run on B20, and have been for years.

It is all about the owners of the country, more money to be had with EV mineral mining. Plus consumers like out of sight out of mind. No tail pipe emissions, so it “must” be better! Though when the mineral mining goes full scale and they see the destruction and they may change their minds, by that time it will be too little too late.

I would assume using existing tech and vehicles would be better than manufacturing new, but people love to think that insatiable consumption is the answer.

Same people who tell you that we must act now to save it for the children! Ya know having more children is most of the problem…

Most stations are in the heart land, must eat a lot of fried food there…

Not sure why Idaho isn’t coming up on the map, we have a few here, one is 3 minutes from our house.

 

I don’t necessarily disagree, but I do think you’re overly optimistic thinking that toyota could or should buck the trend and build something few will buy. They are in the money making business, and they know the 2.4t would outsell any diesel they could bring to NA. I guarantee they constantly study the business case