2024 Reliability / Durability - Believe it or not?

should negligence count towards the vehicle quality though?

German cars, when maintained on time and with oe parts, are some of the best in the world. But when the lease ends and some kid making $30k a year buys it and doesn’t do anything, whenever it shits the bed is that on the car or the owner?

 

Owner.

Toyotas used to be the AK-47s of the truck world, could use and an abuse them, wouldn’t even flinch, not much the case anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyHBKX29_Q8

 

I'd rather deal with second owner negligence vs. the ticking time bomb that is the coolant crossover pipe and timing cover leak that Toyota baked into the 3.5.

Also leaking PS rack can go bye bye as well.

 

Every Toyota model has their issues. When simplicity disappears over time all cars are more susceptible to less reliability. Even Toyota. I do miss a simpler vehicle. But that's not the world we live in. Even with increased complexity a Toyota to me is a winner even in such a complex car world. They won't simplify things to appease those that want it.

 

Sometimes complexity isn’t the inherent driver of unreliability. Points ignition carb engines are simple, but an EFI 3rz is vastly more reliable. Across the entire industry, we have the most reliable vehicles ever produced, while complexity has marched on.

simple cars we pine for had a lifespan of 100k miles. Now that’s barely scary on the used lot.

 

My thinking was that more stuff (electronics) get control of the operation of a vehicle and one of those items has a fault it can mean a stranding. I get what you're saying though.

 

The 3RZ had

• Timing Chain Failures
• Squeaking Serpentine Belt
• Water Pump issues
• Balance Shaft Bearing Failures

Majority of the failures on my 25 year old, 435K mile 1G were mechanical, have a long list of those. Only thing electronic were the starter, fuel pump, one coil and O2 sensors.

The massive amount of electronics vehicles have now will mostly be fine. It is the mechanical turbo that puts stress on other mechanical parts might cause issues. Add a hybrid system that bumps up the torque to 465 ft lbs, is the rest of the drivetrain beefed up enough to handle it? Because you know the Bros are going to be doing a lot of stupid shit with that much power on tap. Are we going to see blown up transmissions, snapped ujoints, twisted driveshafts, broken axles and ring&pinions?

 

My failure of the head gasket and timing chain guides on my LC were from previous owner neglect. Again it come down to owners being responsible and just following the darn maintenance schedule. It's not hard.

 

and burnt valves and cracked exhaust manifolds. I stand by my comment that it’s still more long term reliable than engines were in the points and carb simplicity days.

 

My ‘21 is the first vehicle I bought new. All of my others I made sure they had every service record. Those other vehicles took me 6 months to a year to find. And even then they all had issues, part of buying used. The ‘99 bought with 77K needed a clutch right off the bat, even with a perfect service record, then 13,000 miles later a timing belt and water pump. Then was fairly decent up until 200K.

The ‘85 4Runner had ring failures at 125K, the replacement engine had crank bearings fail (can’t remember the mileage), sold at 225K. The ‘92 wasn’t too bad, clutch and ball joints. But only kept that one until 150K, wanted an extra cab and bought the ‘99.

I may skip the 4G altogether and wait for a BEV, supposedly that is 2026-27 which isn’t too far away in the big scheme of things. Unless it gets delayed. Toyota was supposed to do a 1 Ton, but never happened because of the housing crash in 2008. Forever shelved I guess.

 

Yep that too, thought valves were from lack of maintenance, why I didn’t include them.

Points were horrible, the engine on our log splitter had them, had to constantly fuss with it. Spent more time splitting firewood by hand than with that miserable thing.

Our ‘76 F250 that my father purchased new, had three engines in it all before 100K. We worked the hell out of that poor truck though.

 

I’ve been looking for a dentside. I see 90k miles on it and I just imagine the headaches. I see 90k on a 25yo Tacoma and i get all kinds of excited

 

Are we saying this simply because it has a turbo? Let's not forget some of the most brutally beat on (yet still insanely reliable) engines like diesels are almost exclusively turbocharged. Furthermore, when looking at V6 vs inline 4 engine styles in terms of reliability, the 4 cylinder (from an architectural standpoint) is a way better bet. It's an inherently balanced system. A V6 is NOT a balanced engine architecture and is one of the reasons an inline 6 (like the 2jz) is superior in that aspect.

Also relevant, turbos sort of got a bad reputation in the 90s. The technology to BUILD turbos was behind the technology where turbos could be used. So they were often failure prone and points of concern during that time. As someone who's owned 4 different turbo Mazda RX7s, I'm pretty familiar with this. But these days, turbo tech is extremely robust which is why you see pretty much every single manufacturer doing turbo 4 cylinders.

TLDR: If turbo 4s were so unreliable, Toyota (as well as nearly every other manufacturer) wouldn't be betting the farm on them.

 

Almost dragged home a ‘76 super cab short bed a few years ago for nostalgic reasons. It was in great shape, took it for a test drive, even smelled like our old Ford’s (we had a few of them) all the memories came flooding back, mostly nightmares of my dad yelling at me and doing miserable work with that truck. Then thought why in the fuck do I want to relive that!?

Was the first one in the family to buy “Jap Crap”, boy howdy did my dad give me shit about that to no end. He was quite the American Pride good ‘ol boy. That was over 30 years ago, and haven’t gave the Big 3 much interest until recently, since Toyota isn’t giving me exacting what I want. Though highly doubt I’ll leave Toyota. Definitely more of a Toyota fan boy than Ford.

Dunno kinda over old vehicles, ever since I bought my 3G. 4G while they did some things I don’t care for it is growing on me, but believe would be better served in a Tundra.

 

They’ll most likely be fine, though the epa is forcing their hand for emissions reasons. Don’t really think manufactures had a choice. Mike Sweers rallied against them for years as they have no real advantage other than meeting CAFE regs.

Believe they are just a stop gap measure until they get the BEV thing figured out.

 

It has been stated many times by various sources it was mainly for emissions. You can go as far back as 2014 and read interviews with Mike Sweers saying why they haven’t done turbos in the Tundra while other manufacturers have.

https://tundraheadquarters.com/sweers-defends-2014-tundra/

 

What would you think their real reason would be for them using a more powerful 4cyl engine?

 

So, we’ve been forced into more powerful and torquey motors because they run more cleanly?

how awful

 

I'm willing to give the 4T a chance. It's been out a year in the Highlander and that Lexus ....NX350?? I half-assed looked to see if I could find many early problems with it like there was with the Tundra. I couldn't. I've said it before, I think the guys who run a lot of high elevations will really like the turbo. That and the fact that a turbo I4 is closer to a real truck engine than a V6 will ever be.

 

Yeah, not a terrible side effect. Would have liked much better efficiency, since burning less fuel would be even better for emissions/environment, as they say “it is what it is.”