4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

Toyota made a lot of compromises to cram in the fully boxed frame and 4-link rear axle. Thicker frame rails and wider driveshaft forced them to narrow the tank. The beefier crossmembers also hang lower to provide attachment for the axle links and coil bucket. Despite the 4" longer wheelbase, the fuel tank still hangs 4" lower to snag on obstacles off-road.



Looks like the diff breather relocate is still necessary. Another day-1 mod like the airdam delete.

 

If Toyota had built a smaller, 40mpg hybrid Tacoma, this forum would be aflame with how much of a shitty, incapable compromise it is

 

“I guess we’ll never know!”

 

Looks like you can cut away the fender liner support bracketry without cutting into the primary cab mount structure, i.e. do a CMC without welding:

 

The Ram will be stupidly expensive and it will sell quick at first to the people that gotta have the latest and greatest and then sales will die off like the Lightning.

 

Yeppers…

The whole point for me around wanting better fuel economy is because I am somewhat frugal. Spending $60-100K to get it is oxymoronic.

 

I thought the frame rails were wider than the previous gen? Also how does a 4Runner with the same suspension fit a 23 gallon tank?

 

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a45964751/2024-toyota-tacoma-prices/

 

I hope titan fuel tanks or some other company builds an oversized fuel tank to strap under there somehow

 

Although you're probably right but they haven't even said what the mpgs are in the hybrids

 

It does safety better , it does power better , it does comfort better . Also how would you know what's better . GO DRIVE ONE, once you drive it then you can complain .

 

Looks like the 4th gen frame rails narrow significantly toward the rear.

The 4Runner's tank hangs low through its entire length. It's as low as the transmission crossmember:



The 4Runner's tank is 23 gal until it's squished by a rock lol. Most SUVs are done this way (FJ Cruiser, LX, Jeep Wrangler). @vonclicas in my off-road club punctured his LX470's tank on the trail and had to be towed out by a 3rd gen Tacoma. A beefy skid plate is necessary.

 

Toyota has 4 hybrid systems. Hybrid, Plug in Hybrid, iForce Max and Hybrid Max. Have to pick one.

I don’t see any way for the Toyota plug in hybrid system to fit in a BOF truck, especially considering the battery would have to be substantially bigger to push a brick through wind in full EV mode.

I do see the new Hybrid Max they debuted in the Crown fitting, but I imagine the fuel economy gain would be nominal as it’s also a performance hybrid system, not a range extending like in the Prius.

Toyotas standard gas saving hybrid would be woefully underpowered in a Tacoma. Sure some would be fine with it but I don’t think most buyers think that’s a good match for a Tacoma. So I expect it in the Stout, or whatever the unibody compact rumored to be is.

For reasons Toyota knows they use the iForce Max in their trucks instead of the Hybrid Max. Maybe some combination of durability, amenability to BOF or other characteristics.

Edit: looking closer at the Crowns Hybrid Max schematic, it doesn’t look like a Trucks articulating longer travel front suspension is not compatible with the side mounted electric motor. Hence why they likely developed the iForce Max for trucks, locating the electric motor along the drive path in the center of the truck.

 

More usable torque across more rpms, better economy, manual in double cab offroad, trd offroad has all the gear I want and nothing i don't. Also apparently you can fit 35" with stock suspension (id max at 33)

Im sold. Probably wait until 25 or 26 to weed out issues

 

I kind of understand why Toyota leveraged the hybrid for more power in the Tundra, that 1/2 ton truck has competitive towing ratings, and at those weights more power is nicer.

But, the tow rating on the hybrid Tacoma is even lower than the already low (compared to a more usable 1/2 ton) of the non-hybrid Tacoma, so I am not so sure why Toyota chose to go with 465 torque on a small mid-size truck when I think people would have more appreciated higher MPGs from an economy-focused hybrid setup. I mean, it'll probably the 2nd quickest midsize truck (the 3.0TT Raptor will definitely stomp it) but who buys a Tacoma to outrun other trucks?

When the Tundra was first teased, I was really hoping they'd offer a "Prime" PHEV version. What we got was what Honda did with their first Accord, the V6+Hybrid to add power but only get 1 mpg more. And, now that those Accords are old, they are all expensive to maintain because they are all over 15 years old and needing new battery packs. Not a good choice for a reliable commuter in the used market, the Hybrid version means it is a throw-away car, unlike the normal Accords (hence why I won't buy a Hybrid Tundra/Tacoma, I kept my current truck nearly 16 years, no need for an expensive battery that is just there for more power).
When I saw how the Hybrid was implemented on the TNGA-F platform, you can see Toyota really phoned it in. There's no room at all (with current battery tech) for a PHEV battery pack, the small battery pack they do have has to be in the cab....horrible. Ford was able to do a much larger battery pack on the F-150 Hybrid between the frame rails next to the fuel tank....both of which don't sit anywhere near as low as the (small) fuel tank on the Toyotas. Real head-smacker there.
As it is, with Toyota cramming a small battery pack under the rear seat and a fuel tank, that despite being small, still hangs low...there's little to no hope a PHEV version of TNGA-F will appear..... unless Toyota makes density improvements with a different type of battery pack (solid state? still may not be chosen for a MMC refresh of TNGA=F).

ICE Tacoma only for me. I absolutely don't see the value of the hybrid on the Tacoma. It'll be relatively powerful for a Tacoma, but we live in a world where expensive BEV trucks can out-run a Porsche whilst towing a Porsche. I'd rather the truck be less expensive/better value than waste money on the current Hybrid setup.

 

Local dealer sent me this allocation today:

 

50 K OTD for pretty much a base OR with the 8" screen... Wild.

 

If you want Maverick like fuel economy you need to go with a Maverick like design. Unibody construction, smaller engine, less towing capacity, etc. There is no magical way to get 30 mpg with a BOF mid-sized truck that weighs 4500 lbs. or all of the manufacturers would be doing it.

It looks like Toyota will be coming out with a smaller truck along the lines of the Maverick. I'm sure it's fuel economy will be a lot better than the Tacoma. But it's not going to have the same capabilities.

 

We get to pay 11% sales tax here in WA State, so all of these newer, higher prices are even more bitter when you factor that in. I'd be giving our useless gov't $5-6K in money for the "privilege" of buying into an inflated vehicle market. Yay

 

With 2800$ worth of options..
I wonder if manual is any cheaper