Anyone use Ceratec?

WTF

 

When did this turn into Facebook?

 

I know we all poke a little fun at each other all the time over some stupid shit, but this personal shit doesn’t belong in here.

 

It's an oil thread bruh, all they have is personal shit

Oh, and don't forget the youtube video about a lawnmower. And also a cell phone video of an engine idling

 

Yeah, right? I just wanted to put a little more vroom vroom in my zoom zoom.
It ain't even friday, chill folks. No reason for this thread to end up in Guam.
Any who, just ordered some for my upcoming oil change in a couple hundred miles. Will report back if this thread is still up.

 

If I remember correctly while investigating the claims of this product, independent testers talked about the reduced friction in the cylinders. Like rotating mass and the friction of the tires on pavement = drag = less fuel economy, the claim is that less friction in the combustion chamber due to higher lubriscocity or whatever the hell the term they use = better mileage. No impact, no idea. I think there is a film strength component as well as the lubrication factor and one duder I found claims a 1% gain over a couple of different use cases he tested (a generator, a lawn mower, and something else). What his baseline was, no idea. I think you are right to be skeptical.

The only additives I use are fuel enzymes and SeaFoam for the vehicles that sit for extended periods of time. Fuel turning to varnish in a tank that has sat for an extended period is a pain in the ass to deal with. Ethanol free fuel helps - enzymes and SeaFoam helps as well. My performance engines like 20W-50 and my workhorse big blocks like 10W-30. These are vehicles that are 40+ years old. Maybe this ceratec stuff works on the new engines that have much tighter clearances and tolerances. Dunno. Until there are more data available I will remain on the fence.

For those of you looking to get personal...

• I run a J&L catch can
• I use SeaFoam
• I change my oil every 5k
• I change my transmission fluid every 20k because I tow
• I change my transfer case and diff fluids every 30k because I tow off road

Let the roasting begin.

 

Yes and no. Mfgs are in the business of sales.

this means make the car break a day after warranty.

this means advertise it as cheap maintenance to get a sale.

this means lower production costs to profit on a sale by not adding $20 per unit.

they use their own products. And negotiate cheaper contracts with bulk oil suppliers. That they slap their brand sticker on the bottles of and profit.

they may have found it not to be needed in that it may not prevent catastrophic failure caused by a bad design. And know most folks owners wont maintain extra. Many don’t even do less than ideal “minimum”

MAYBE it reduces gradual piston wear over time past warranty: they would not care about that, and would not want that.

 

I haven't said word one about longevity. Or wear. Or however else one might frame that aspect of the product's supposed benefits.

My contention focuses on claims surrounding MPG.

The OP claims improvements of a couple of 10ths. While the manufacturer of the product makes the claim that it "reduces fuel consumption."

CAFE is a brutal hurdle for all car companies. Why aren't they lined up to dump this stuff into their engines and reap the benefit?
$20/unit of increased costs is nothing if allowed them to sell fewer EVs in order to achieve CAFE.
Last month, Ford report losing $36K on each one sold.

 

if I’m not mistaken, OP claims around 0.2mpg increase without proof

I don’t think that would make a difference for manufacturers

or if it’s even allowed in testing

I don’t know the specifics. But it’s probably assessed on a fleet basis and generally manufacturers seem to do fine with that.
Take for example Audi. Very few cars in the fleet are a 4.0L V8 TT. Most are probably 4cyl. same for any brand.

it may be part of why Toyota did not sell diesel. It’s advertised with less MPG and may pollute more.

 

I have used CeraTec is both new and used vehicle with the same results. It does take some time for the ceramic base to bind to the metal. This is truly the purpose, not to alter the chemistry of your oil of choice.

I like product because it works and enjoy sharing with others. That being said, I’m starting to hate this forum for the constant negativity and bullying, making fun the others, and attacks that often come across as personal. I’ll use my time elsewhere. In fact, many of the Tacoma groups on Facebook are much more respectful and mature.

Vehicles I have used this product in with the same results.
23 Tacoma 2gr-fse
22 Tucson Hybrid 1.6t
22 Kia Stinger Twin Turbo
2020 Kia Optima PHEV
2014 GX460
2018 Outback 3.5
2019 WRX
2014 Audi A8L
2006 Lexus LS430
2004 LS400

Anyway, I do attribute my better than average fuel economy to this product and I love the way my engine sounds and feels after it is treated. I do not work for Liqui Moly, I’m not a chemical engineer, but I am a technical production engineer and now do mostly project management and sales. I have built multiple engines / wrenched on all my vehicle for a number of years. I’m also pretty heavily involved with tuning and logging / monitoring peak efficiency. I’ve posted multiple videos talking about timing and octane on this platform.

This is the only additive I have ever used and continue to use, why? Because it works. It’s not some miracle cure, it’s not snake oil, and results may vary but for those on the fence, all I can say is give it a try. If it does not work then come back and say so.

Considering I’m on 32’s with a 1.5” lift / North Atlanta metro area I find this mpg very damn good. Personally, I find ideal mpg is 60 - 65 mph. This was 95% highway.

 

I adore liqui moly and its products, I encourage any euro owner to stick with their products so I have no bias, but additives making fuel economy? Really?

I wouldn’t put liquimoly in anything non German. It’s just spending money for the sake of spending money.

 

Lubricity.

That's about all I can bring to the table here..

 

No, it's just a poor attempt at spamming , what is in my opinion, a worthless product. You can candy coat the bullshit any way you like it if it makes it taste better to you.

 

I predict that in 25 years, Ceratec will be reformulated with PTFE.
Because even marketing has a circle of life.

 

BITOG has info on Ceratec going back as far as 2012. I thought the name rang a bell. Just fyi not fanning any flames.

 

found a post saying putting ceratec requires doing more frequent of oil changes every 3k (waste of money) because it clogs spark plugs

big if true

but also doesn’t make sense
Oil is in the oil circuit. Not combustion chamber (spark plugs)

maybe BITOG is the place to go to find an answer. It usually is for fluids.

 

Yeah that makes no sense. If you're getting significant oil in your spark plugs you have some bigger issues to address.

 

It will be in there to some degree through the PCV. The most baffling part of that story is the need to change oil every 3k miles to avoid this issue.

 

Worth a watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H_mZTh5bHY&ab_channel=ProjectFarm

This guy is great. Very empirical in his experiments. If you want the results skip to about 9 minutes.
His result did show that it does what it claims. Is it enough to make a difference? That's up to the consumer.