Who plans to skip 4th gen entirely?

That may change since the Tacoma is darn near the girth of a full-size. Can already see that happening since size and price have grown. When the 2nd Gen came out, remember people complaining it was too big vs the 1st Gen. 4th Gen is massive in comparison, DCSB it is roughly 10” wider and longer than the 1st Gen. Not really a mid-size anymore.

Would consider a full-size, definitely not a Lightning though. Nothing more than a commuter vehicle since range is dismal. Who cares having that much power if you can’t do much with it. Do what…race stop light to stop light? Those guys who do that very thing are just douche bags. Since it is nothing more than a commuter vehicle, rather save my money and just get a Corolla at that point.

 

Ford gives you more standard equipment than Toyota unfortunately (for Toyota). The base Pro has a standard e-locker, 12" screen, heated seats, lacks power seats, has rubber floors (which some machismo men here would prefer), the 360 camera package is hidden behind a $1,948 package with Ford versus a $8,500 package with Tacoma.

 

~200 miles of range isn't really that bad unless your going cross country and a Corolla doesn't get 70 MPGe with that level of extreme performance.

Watching people downplay the 462HP and 775 lb/ft of torque with 70 MPGe is hilarious. If the Tacoma put up numbers like that, people would be repeating it every other thread.

 

Just can’t see spending that much for nothing more than a commuter vehicle. Could give two shits about performance running back and forth to work. My commute speed limits go from 25-55. And on the short 55 mph stretch most people I noticed are doing 5-10 under since it is stop light to stop light, get going and have to stop again. Rush hour you have to sit through 2-3 light changes. We can toss around big power numbers, but day to day living it is useless. Why pay for it, if you really can’t use it to its full potential?

My buddy went from a Tacoma to a Corolla and couldn’t be happier, paid $18K new for it too. Also bought an old V8 4Runner for $8000 for camping, but it mostly sits.

I mean if we are really going to talk about saving money, plenty of ways to do it other than buying a brand new glorified family trucksters…

 

I thought we were comparing how much truck you can get for around ~$40k and not if it's even worth it. I totally agree that most people usually don't even need a truck and would be better off in a sedan.

The Tacoma is also nothing more than a commuter vehicle by that logic though.

I know if i was in the market for a new $40k truck right now, it wouldn't be a Tacoma based on the performance and MPG relative to its price compared to its competition at ~$40-$45k, the lightning being just one example among many.

 

It is the range in the Lightning that kills the do-it-all vehicle. If it really can only be used for commuting what is the point? Might as well save your money and buy the cheapest commuter you can find, which still would be miles better for road tripping since range and refuel time are extremely reasonable.

“2022 Toyota Corolla Driving RangeThe L, LE, and both Apex Editions with CVT have a city driving range of 396 miles and a highway driving range of 501.6 miles. The SE and SE Nightshade with CVT have a driving range of 409.2 miles in the city and 528 miles on the highway.“

Until they get the range and refuel time on par or better than ICE nothing more than a novelty at this time.

 

I know everyones life is different but i don't usually drive 200+ miles in one sitting unless I am going on vacation, and i would assume most people don't drive 200+ miles a day on a regular basis.

Having to get out and stretch the legs and eat a snack during a 15 minute recharge after driving for 4 hours straight doesn't really seem that bad to me, but I also have owned a Tesla Model S before.

 

Neither do I, my commute is 40 miles round trip. But I just can’t see spending that much on a vehicle that I can’t road trip with which I do often, or go into the backcountry exploring without fear of it dying, at least with the Tacoma I can toss Jerry cans in the bed to extend range. That 775 ft/lbs tq in the lightning is useless if that thing dies on me out in the middle of nowhere.

Don’t do the interstate while road tripping all Bi-Ways, good luck finding a charger let alone one does it 15 minutes. Here in Idaho, charging off the interstate is pretty much nonexistent, unless you’re in a campground. Those book out a year in advance. Don’t plan that far out, plus don’t do camp grounds. Those aren’t 15 minute fast chargers either.

 

That is true and Ford not having access to the Tesla supercharger network has been a major L, but they will have an adapter next year and in 2025 the lightning will come with the Tesla standard supercharging port. It is very easy to find a tesla supercharger nearly everywhere.

99% of the US population has been within 150 miles of a Tesla supercharger since 2018.

 

Sure there are some negatives with the 4G, I surely have raised my gripes about it. There are other factors that come into play for the price, which is why Toyota can charge what they do. Historically they always cost more for “less” truck. Another buddy makes fun of me that I paid as much for my Tacoma as he did his F350. Hey I like this little truck, both would serve me equally, but like the Taco better.

Have been driving them for 30+ years, yes I look at other brands, and yes I like them, however weighing all the factors would be really hard leaving the brand. Have family members who left the brand for a couple years, and have come back mostly because the other brands weren’t as reliable.

If I would get a full-size over a Tacoma, 99% sure it would be a Tundra, even though not 100% crazy about it, simply because of how long I have owned Toyotas, why change now, ya know?

 

Yeah I'm in the same boat and it is hard to break the bias i have towards Toyota, I owned an 02 Taco before my 13'. I was excited about the 4th gen and figured I would buy another Taco 2-3 years into the 4th gen but this 4th gen pricing with the no real increase in MPG has been making me seriously consider other brands.

 

That is great and all, but you need to pan in on Idaho. 99% of my trips into the backcountry are here.

it is fairly nonexistent.


https://idahosbdc.org/electric-vehicle-charging-stations/

 

Think there is going to be the initial grumbling as that happens generation changes, then it will die down and the Tacoma will still have record sales, or loyalist will either upsize into a Tundra, or downsize into smaller SUV/CUV. A RAV4 would work for me too. Has a 3500 lbs tow rating, my moto trailer is around 1200 lbs loaded. So that will work, plus giving me great fuel economy for commuting. Base RAV4 AWD is in the low 30s.

 

Yeah the Tesla Supercharger network is mainly along the interstate in Idaho, but there is still plenty of places to charge, you would never have to worry about running out of battery if you stay in Idaho.

https://www.plugshare.com/

 

I was hoping for ~25 MPG in the new Taco, that upset me the most. Please Toyota make a maverick competitor / a unibody with a bed that can tow 4k pounds and gets 40 mpg hybrid or a full BEV truck.

If the lightning had a Toyota badge on it, it would already be in my driveway.

 

I can’t believe I saw a cyber truck before a 4th gen. But I did. I would have lost money on that bet. (And I’m skipping both.)

 

Short of losing my new 2023, I'm on my last Tacoma.
I have less than zero interest in the 2024 line.
Mom always says, "Just say No, to One Dot Oh"
Version 1.0 new engines, bodies and chassis will no doubt be fraught with problems.
I hoist my middle to finger at turbos and batteries in a truck.

 

I got 26.2 mpg on a 175 mile drive after picking it up new in Fresno.

 

For real? :O this makes me optimistic.

 

The Lightning Pro does not get ~210 miles of real world range. There are many reviews and articles stating such. My more efficient Model 3 Performance doesn't even get close to 300+ miles of real world range (not whats stated of the display gauge), its closer to ~260 at 100% charge. Additionally, no EV owner is charging their battery to 100% at every charge cycle. Also, you're comparing the 2023 Lightning to a 2024 Tacoma. The 2024 Lightning Pro's start at 53K.

Can you math?

2024 Ford Lightning:

• Length: 232 inches
• Width: 80 inches
• Height: 77 inches

2024 Tacoma:

• Length: 212.3 inches
• Width: 74.4 inches
• Height: 70.6 inches

https://www.f150lightningforum.com/...ange-on-highway-road-trip-review.10599/page-2

Also, do you actually know how that $7500 EV tax credit is applied? It's not at checkout.