1st Gen Lunchtable Thread - General Discussion

It's cheaper than buying just the 5 quart jugs (plus you always need 6 practically in every vehicle) and when the box is on sale, it's an even better deal

 

@Ozark_RegCab You know the real 100 series gurus hang out on UZJ100 FB group. I've gotten better answers to complex problems there.

 

How many times will he ask what the best coils for a 100 series are, without ever buying any

 

They usually just need new boot kits.

 

@Ozark_RegCab this group banner picture says 1,000 words. I bet you can guess some of the really important ones. That's why I'm in no hurry to change it.

 

@Ozark_RegCab we have room for another cruiser in the group.

 

I don't hate the 100 that's like hating the player and not hating the game. I absolutely would never buy one because unfortunately the game created a stupid player. The Land cruiser is supposed to be a rugged off-road vehicle and in the US market it became a luxury vehicle and that shift happened starting with the 100 series. It's just a vehicle that has no purpose they took all of the capability out of it and traded it for comfort. And if you don't believe me on that go look at what they sold in other markets that require a rugged vehicle, they sold the 105 series. Instead of the solid axle remaining we got this bargain bin ifs that uses crappy torsion bars they couldn't even put coil sprung suspension on the thing because the whole move to even make it ifs was literally just for comfort not at all for capability. I'll granted that it has a nice interior I don't much care for the exterior styling but I wouldn't say no to it just because of that. Then as a further shift away from being a Land cruiser and more just being a fancy 4Runner they slowly removed features like lockers. I don't really want the uz but it's not terrible as far as engines ago for something you're just going to leave stock in Toyota's version of the Escalade. Although I think if they were going to go full luxury like they did they should have put a bigger V8 in it. I just look at it as if the Land cruiser died after the 80 series in the US market and everything that's come after has been some horrible little chimera that didn't know if it was supposed to be a Land cruiser or a sequoia. I would never buy a 100 series, I would however buy a first gen Sequoia if I needed something as big that I also needed to be a good wheeler. You start off immediately with better front suspension and cheaper parts because they don't have the Land cruiser tax applied. But yes I believe you should have a 100 series it's the perfect vehicle for somebody that thinks they need to go off-road but doesn't actually do it. At least the GX or Land cruiser Prado knew what the hell market segment they were supposed to sell in in the United States. It made sense to sell an upmarket 4Runner and it didn't lose any capability. The GX makes more sense than a 100 series, at least they didn't have to sacrifice a good vehicle for it to exist

 

I only see one Land Cruiser

 

The Land Cruiser V8s are apparently usually higher quality and see fewer issues than those in Tundras and Sequoias. That’s what a Toyota master tech said in one of the videos I watched.

 

Yep. Made in Japan.

 

I guess there's different ways to look at it. Sure, they got rid of the legendary solid front axle/inline six set up. But that's not all that makes a Cruiser a Cruiser.

In many other ways, the 100 was improved - the frame was stiffened by 50%, and travel was actually increased on the rear axle. It is definitely still a rugged vehicle.

Like I said, the stock front end on the 80 series doesn't even flex that well anyway - you'd have to spend 10 grand on a custom 3 link set up to match a JLU Rubicon for travel. It's not like the 80 series was designed for rock crawling either - they are still low, long, and top heavy compared to a SAS minitruck or Jeep. The 100 series is a better expedition/mild wheeler full stop. Admittedly, the 8" front diff does become more vulnerable in the IFS set up that lifted wheels more easily, and that's probably the main flaw of the 100. But most of us aren't rock-bouncing, so the trade-off isn't really that noticeable. Purists also lambasted the 80 when it came out for being too soft with the coil springs and more luxury features.

I know they still made the 105 in a lot of markets, but the IFS 100s are still popular tourers/overlanders in Australia and elsewhere. I think part of the reason they kept offering the solid axle in the 105 is that they were cheaper to produce and made it easier to fit the 1HZ NA diesel that was so popular in developing countries, as well as admittedly being more durable for prolonged use on unimproved roads. Again, that's part of my point - the solid axle is more for durability than cool instagram flexy shots and North American-style rock crawling.

The torsion bars are cheap, tough, and easy to service - I'd rather have a bit less droop than have to worry about the ball joints popping out on a 1G Sequoia. Remember the Hiluxes/Pickups also got torsion bars in 1986 - does that make them not a real truck?

You mentioned the IFS in the GX470 being superior - that may be true, but I've seen just as many reports of blown 8" rear diffs on that platform when wheeled hard. Toyota recognized the problem when they switched to the 8.2" unit after 2010. Maybe you could argue the GX460 or 5th gen 4runner is a better platform, but they're still a lot more expensive, and I prefer the excellent outward visibility of the 100 series.

 

I think you wrote all this to convince yourself because you're wasting your time if you're writing it for me, because I know where you get your information from

 

I still havent spent much time tuning my settings, won't actually be home till next year.

 

What did I say that wasn’t true?

I just don’t see how losing an inch or so of travel on the front end suddenly makes it not a real Land Cruiser.

Besides, just cause the tires are kept on the ground easier with a solid axle doesn’t mean it can’t still lose traction. I found this out in my 97. We don’t have traction for days out here in Arkansas like out in Moab or California where you can just about drive a Crown Vic up a cliff.

 

@Kwikvette

haven’t gotten to watch yet, but was hoping something like this would come along

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5aPXdVUDUE

 

Remind me later to post my factory settings sheet and my personally dialed sheet

It won't translate to you directly, but we do use the same consumables and you can see how factory differs from dialed in on my setup

If it helps ya at least

 

Also @Speedytech7 if a solid front axle and inline six is all that makes a Cruiser a Cruiser, I guess an old highboy with the 300 should suffice?

 

@Ozark_RegCab

I was busy in the shop so I missed a lot said but I have to argue one point really bad here; I wheeled my Land Cruiser and I wheeled my 4Runner

I had extended cv axles, extended travel King 2.5 front and rears, taller coils, custom rear lower control arms, adjusted panhard bar and more all to maximize travel without 1. Going long travel and 2. Going custom fabrication on shit

I've taken that 4Runner in places (and exhibited much more travel) than many other vehicles at Hollister Hills running technical trails (even against some Jeeps)

The Land Cruiser only had 10" traveling shocks, and Dobinsons no-lift coils, and it easily scaled the same shit my 4Runner did and always kept the wheels to the ground both front and rear

My 4Runner on the same trail, put my front wheel 3' in the air; hell the picture made it to the TW calender if you don't believe me

Yet the Land Cruiser sailed through it easily so to say it doesn't have much travel up front, or isn't far from a 100 series is absolutely laughable and can only be said by someone who hasn't wheeled their rigs

 

I'm not sure I'd take that as a Land cruiser replacement but I know that you're not serious anyway. Besides you can't afford that high boy I'm sure. I'd like one though, have a soft spot for dent sides

 

DUDE it's a great watch! Someone posted it here and tagged me

Although it's absolutely huge, it is so thought out and has everything you'd ever need