1st Gen Lunchtable Thread - General Discussion

I won't argue that a twin-locked 80 is king of the hill stock for stock for 4x4s sold in the US. I'd say a SAS minitruck still has more wheeling potential once you get into heavy modding just by virtue of being smaller and lighter though.

Also, like I said, simply keeping tires on the ground isn't everything. They can still lose traction, especially in wet and slick conditions. Most of the 100s left the factory with some form of traction aid, unlike the 80. And travel on the rear axle was improved on the 100 like I said, so with a rear locker it'll still follow an 80 most places, regardless of travel on the front end.

 

In my mind, a Land Cruiser is a state of mind.

It's about being the Great Pyrenees of the trail and looking out for the other members of the group.

It's being prepared and carrying the spare fuel pump, fusible link, fuses, wheel bearing grease, snatch blocks, and whatever parts you need to keep the group moving no matter what difficulty you may encounter.

It's one thing to be the most capable. The important thing is to be one most prepared for when shit starts going wrong.

 

That's a nice sentiment, we try to be that way whatever we are wheeling tho.

 

Keeping wheels on the ground is absolutely number one in traction; if your goal isn't to achieve this, then you're doing it wrong.

You stated, the front doesn't have much travel, and argue the 100 series barely gives any up in comparison. By that logic, the 100 doesn't travel much at all since the 80 doesn't have much travel.

You also stated it takes thousands and thousands of dollars for a Land Cruiser to get real decent travel.

It took me thousands just to offer partial performance that the Land Cruiser exhibits.

You completely avoided my statement when I corrected you about the 60hp deal comparing a Tacoma to a Pick Up

I have a feeling when I or someone else posts validity against your arguments, you'll do the same again

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think all of this stems from the fact that you had an 80 series, and now you don't.

 

Truer words couldn't be spoken

 

@Ozark_RegCab if I recall correctly, it was closer to 40" off the ground



Had to teeter back a bit and forth again but my rear locker pushed me through

 

Don't have many wheeling pics from being in the LC since I'd often go alone but I remember having trouble getting the LC lifted just to get the wheels off; too much travel (pic is with the wheel still on the ground and had more to go)

 

I'm not sure of the exact numbers for suspension travel. It might even be the same stock for stock for the 100 vs 80, although the 80 has more potential for increasing it with longer springs and shocks.

Also, the 100 is a lot better than 4runners and Tacomas at keeping wheels on the ground with the far stiffer frame.

Also, I maintain that in situations like a slick clay hill climb, being light and keeping momentum are more important than keeping wheels on the ground. I've seen some videos of fully locked Cruisers and Patrols spin all four wheels up a hill where a little Samurai or even a SxS would just scurry up.

 

Mud = momentum

Your aussie video watching experience is null here

 

Again, I never lifted wheels on my Cruiser, but I was surprised at how quickly it lost traction with no lockers in the snow/mud/grass, etc. They might be better on harder rocky trails, but if I'm just trail riding around, I'll take a Tacoma for getting through the mud or whatever.

 

Suspension travel numbers aren't the same, but they're "close"

I forget what the term is exactly, but not everything on paper translates directly to real world

The way the vehicle is balanced, and how that suspension works, is more important than the actual travel numbers

In fact ADS or Accutune did a thorough explanation on this when someone was either talking 3 link or custom leaf pack; the travel numbers aren't everything

 

It's also harder to get a 3,500 lb vehicle bogged than a 5,000 lb one - idc if you've got 5-ton portal axles under there, physics is still physics.

 

You lost traction and got "stuck" in a little puddle in your Tacoma not long ago

This is due to lack of experience

The LC performs admirably in mud just being on Drive

 

This is a good point - many people prefer the stability of leaf packs to the coil springs on a Jeep.

 

I'm convinced you regret getting rid of your 80 series, and you're trying 1,000% to justify it to yourself to get anything else and say it's "just as good"

No one here is giving you a hard time about having gotten rid of it, or anything of the sort

The debate comes in when you make statements (unwarranted even) that a 100 series or whatever you're buying is "just as good as"

If you kept it at "Hey, I'm looking at this 100 series" the responses would've been like "no shit, is it clean, etc etc"

 

If I got a wheeling rig, I'm getting a Pick Up unless a rust-free 80 series with a 1FZ came up for a similar price

Otherwise, I'm enjoying my GX and have never made a single claim that the GX can wheel as well (or better) or any of the sort because it'd be a ridiculous claim

I bet I can take it wheeling though if I had good tires, but I would have to work harder mentally to get anywhere even close to what the 80 series did, not to mention it'd cost me quite a bit more

 

I see your point, but I think Zane saying it's "Toyota's version of an Escalade" or just a soft-roader or whatever, is just a lazy and bad-faith argument to be honest.

Like I said, people said similar things about the 80 when it came out. Now people are saying the 200 is the last real Land Cruiser cause it still had the NA V8. Next it'll be the 250 or 300 or whatever when the next version is some unibody EV.

 

Idk, you might be surprised what ATRAC can do.

 

I wouldn't call it an Escalade, but yes the Land Cruiser aimed towards a different market that we have here in the US - bigger and more luxurious

IFS offers a premium on-road ride compared to solid axle

Once you start offering creature comforts, for a specific market, you have to take away from something else and in this case it was some off-road capability

Who in there right mind would've spent $50-60k 10-20 years ago to take it off road? You see where I'm getting at?

The 60 series was as plain as it got, but was limited with leaf springs

The 80 series did get luxury, but actually improved in the suspension department

The 100 series got much more luxury, and sacrificed more off-road ability for more comfort IE suspension

 

Did I not tell you that ATRAC would be perfect for you some weeks ago?

I have a horrible memory, but I do remember when I suggest members stuff.

I even told you I've seen ATRAC on a 4Runner firsthand work well at Moab, when you convinced yourself you need something stronger than a 4th Gen 4Runner.