Who is going for year 1 vs waiting for later year gen 4?

I'm interested in the hybrid too but I'm not sure if I want to go that way or not. It'll be interesting to see the reviews when they come out, especially comparing to the non-hybrid versions of the same year.

Any idea how much more $$ they'll be than the non-hybrid models?

 

I’m aiming to pick up a 2027 in fall 2026 when my son turns 16. He can have the old 2nd Gen.

 

If the other Toyota models are anything to go by, it should cost around 4 or 5 grand more to get the hybrid. But if the MPGs are high enough and the acceleration is fun enough, it would be worth it.

 

My theory: Much like any product with yearly offerings, there's a range of "need" that buyers may feel (I understand the following example doesn't explain every person's story).

On one extreme end, it's the folks that must have the hottest new product the second it drops - they camp out for days at a store to buy the latest iPhone. On the opposite end, it's the guy rocking an iPhone 6 because, hey it still works.

I'm somewhere in the middle. For the new Taco, I just don't care about driving the newest thing. I'd rather wait for a mid-cycle refresh, or some type of mechanical upgrade (if it comes).

There's nothing wrong with early 3rd gen Tacomas; however, I'd just be annoyed if I bought an early 3rd gen, then watched as all the nice refinements and upgrades rolled in a couple years later. Say what you like, but a 2016 and 2023 are different in many ways.

4th Gen will experience the same phenomenon, except now technology and innovation is only improving faster as time goes on. Personally, I'd like to see what they might do to upgrade the hybrid platform in about 5 years. Maybe they offer the auto 4x4 in other trims...things like that might fuel my need to upgrade.

 

Any idea what MPGs could be on the hybrid? I think non-hybrid is somewhere around 19-24mpgs.

 

Best guess is +2 city, same or +1 hwy. Tundra should be a good indicator.

 

I’m waiting until they get the failed turbos weeded out - like the new gen Tundra went through.

 

dont want a hybrid, but i'm waiting till summer just to see what they come out with

 

~27

 

About buying 1st year, we have an early first year full-size Bronco 4 cylinder turbo manual. Almost 2 and a half years later and it has been flawless. And that's a Ford.

 

That's really it? Doesn't seem worth it. I was expecting like 45-50mpgs.

 

If it gets 27 MPG instead of 22 MPG and you drive 12,000 miles a year, you would save about 100 gallons of gas per year. At $3.50 a gallon (here and now) it would take 10-12 years to equal out the savings if the hybrid addition is $4,000. Clearly, economy wouldn't be the best reason if these figures hold true. The fun factor would be a much better argument.

 

Yeah but how much is the extra HP and TQ worth? Like you said in the last line...it is a better argument and what really people need to keep in mind on what this hybrid is made for.

 

It’s not going to get 27 mpg. Toyota already started it won’t improve mileage. It is there to boost power nothing else.

Power bragging rights and that’s it. Some people are willing to pay for it. Question is, why can GM have a high out put engine (430 TQ) without the need for a hybrid, added complexity and weight, and Toyota can’t?

 

its a rumor, but one of the videos there was toyota rep that published the land cruiser with same hybrid engine gets 27

 

That was the thing that always made me scratch my head until this thought hit me. What if this is the foundation for the next step? Replace the current battery with a physically similar size solid state battery that has PHEV type energy storage capacity and add a charger. Now you plug in during the week and run electric for going to work and back. But you still have the unlimited range of ICE for weekend adventures. It's brilliant by Toyota and hiding right in front of us. But I think figured it out.

I got a hundo if someone wants to bet me. SwollenGoat holds the money.

 

Yeah what is the next step? BEV doesn’t make sense with a ladder frame chassis and traditional running gear. PHEV, sorta makes more sense with a solid state battery, that is if it will ever happen.

Don’t quite understand the point of the Tundra/Tacoma hybrid. Power is the only plus, which could have been achieved without the complexities. Do know years ago Mike Sweers wanted a diesel for the Tundra, hybrid was the compromise, but has none of the benefits.

What is even odder is that Toyota prides themselves on fuel efficiency of their other hybrids, but the trucks fall by the wayside. Owners have been screaming for decades for a more fuel efficient Tacoma, yet they go for all out power bragging rights, and to get it, it is going to cost you probably $60K by the time everything is said and done. Can’t imagine that market is going to be very big. Really think they missed the mark with the hybrid. But I am grumpy middle-aged man.

 

PHEV! That is what I am saying. It fits perfectly with their solid-state battery strategy. Same physical size battery much higher KWH. Add a charger. Run on electric for 90% of your daily driving during the week. Unlimited ICE range for everything else. The only missing piece is the solid-state battery and they just so happen to have one coming soon.

Damn you fuckers are dense. This is the last time I'm going to spell it out for you. Shit, even my dog got it the third time.

And you're all probably shitty drivers too!

 

Yeah we discussed this before and we agreed with one another, the roids might be effecting your memory.

Think people would have been happier if they offered a PHEV first. Yes I know battery tech isn’t quite ready, should have waited until it was, and just offered different out put engines like GM. Find the hybrid a bit of a turn off, guess they were trying to be different than the rest of the pack.

Ford may beat them to a PHEV mid-size.