Who is going for year 1 vs waiting for later year gen 4?

judging by your response, you definitely have something up yer ass! Lol!



Don’t think you’re very good at maths… 22 city vs 19 city is not a 5 mpg increase. If anyone is spreading false information it is you. *yawn*

I did say, yeah if you’re looking for great mpgs, probably shouldn’t get a Tacoma. Or buy a cheap commuter, won’t save any money, but you’ll save on fuel. Some reason you’re upset about that, in bold even. Lol!

yep others have other needs, must have to showboat their insecurities. Want to save money and good halfway decent mpg, the base SR 2WD is the one to buy. The hybrid brodozer, not so much.

relax Francis. Are you Firn, and this is your burner account? You and him are the only ones that still seem to use the term “strawman” as soon as I read someone using that, I don’t take them seriously. Nothing more than a troll.

 

It is right on Toyota’s website. They both get 24 highway. Hybrid gets 2 mpg better city, big deal. Customers and magazines have stated they don’t get anywhere close to that.

https://www.toyota.com/



And on the product information pdf, you can’t compare numbers and come to the conclusion the hybrid is all about power and not ultimate fuel efficiency? Toyota says it right here in the specs, black and white, can’t get any simpler than that.




From the horse’s mouth, Toyota’s Chief Engineer Mike Sweers clearly states in this video starting at the 1:30 mark, that the hybrid Tundra isn’t to maximize fuel efficiency, it is to maximize power. The Tacoma has nearly the same system, why would it be any different?

Take note that Sweers also says he is a diesel engine fan, loves them. He wanted one for the Tundra, but was shot down by corporate over those pesky emissions regs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVhKLM_Jrdo

 

Let's not forget how hybrids work guys. You don't cruise on the highway in hybrid mode. Hybrid tech is only used in slower speed, lower throttle driving. So only city mpg would be affected. So no, the same engine but hybridised would not get better highway mpg ratings.

As for if the mpg increase and the power will be worth the extra $. We will have to wait and see.

 

Quite accurate for the truck "serial/inline" hybrid system. More power & torque, about the same mpg. Totally off for the car "synergy drive" 2 motor & single stage planetary system.

2024 Camry Hybrid XLE 51/53 mpg (city/highway)
2024 Camry XLE 27/38 mpg (city/highway)

My Rav4 Hybrid averages about 45mpg with easy driving, and almost the same city or highway. 40mpg if in a big rush. I assume the "synergy drive" system is not strong enough or poor packaging for a RWD/4WD truck.

 

When comparing those camry numbers dont forget that the cvt in the hybrid model has a big impact on the mpg. Whereas the non-hybrid has an 8 speed. And if i recal correctly, the hybrid doesnt have hardly any more power or tq than the non hybrid. So all effort was put into maximizing mpg only.

But of course, none of us want a cvt in a tacoma ever.

 

Back to the original topic of buying a 1st year or waiting it out for a few years. I was waiting for the full specs to release but went ahead and bought a 23 in case it didn’t pan out.

Now after seeing the specs (and generally being a fan of turbo engines for the almost instant torque delivery) I’m leaning towards getting a 24 TRDOR 6MT and putting a low mileage 23 up for sale soon. Waiting on my dealer to get one (any trim) on the lot for a quick test drive to see if I like the ride and overall platform.

 

Not only for mpg. More power and torque too, just like the hybrid trucks. Rav 4 Hybrid is a much nicer drive than the Rav 4 ICE IMO. Interestingly, and very noticeable if pushing hard, the synergy drive CVT, and the direct shift push belt CVT in our Corolla Cross AWD, are programmed to have fake shift points, so it feels like a regular gear/clutch based automatic. When the software only allows 6 or 8 ratios in the CVT, typical driver won't know it's a CVT. It is a CVT at high speed cruising, the revs sink lower. I wouldn't trust the durability or torque capability of a pull chain or push belt CVT in a truck. Synergy drive, it seems possible, super durable, fake shift points are easy to have if you want an 8 speed auto like the Tacoma. Ford Maverick Hybrid is selling all they can build. Yeah, it's not a mid size or really a truck if you say trucks must have a separate chassis, but there is clearly a market for Hybrid "synergy drive" dual motor / single stage planetary type CVT trucks. The non hybrid Maverick is available too. Beef up that hybrid powertrain and drop it in a Ranger, add 5 to 10mpg, it will sell and lots of them. Offer the non hybrid, something for everyone.

 

Flat highway cruising, hybrids like the synergy drive don’t help. I’m fact they can often get worse mileage hwy as you are toting around a few hundred extra pounds of batteries and electric motors.

 

Buddy of mine that has a hybrid Sienna complains about that since he mostly commutes the interstate, said it wasn’t worth it.

 

Works great on my Rav 4 Hybrid. Over 40mpg on highway at 70mph. Definitely better than the gasser. Lifetime mpg average is at 44. EPA says the same, hybrid highway mpg better than gasser, 38 versus 33. I beat that 38 all day long. Maybe if the highway is very hilly it's worse? Mostly flat where I travel. I don't hypermile or pulse and glide or anything, just regular driving.

 

I see some big SUVs on there as well as a truck, all looking pretty bricky. If they can hit close to 50 then I still don't understand why the Tacoma can't. Supposedly not even 35.

 

Your RAV isn’t just a gasser RAV with the battery and motor strapped on. It has a different transmission etc. It might as well be two different cars.

I’ll say it again. The hybrid system doesn’t help on the highway bro. It isn’t being used and it weighs a lot.

 

If you had a CVT RAV with no hybrid it would get better highway mileage than your hybrid RAV is another way to look at it.

 

Not for me. Our other car is a Forester 2.5i CVT (pull chain style CVT, not hybrid). Very similar car to the Rav4 Hybrid otherwise. It gets worse highway mileage. About 5mpg less. The 'synergy drive' style hybrids get better highway mpg. Maybe the best direct comparison is Corolla which has push belt CVT on the gasser, versus 'synergy drive' hybrid CVT. Hybrid is 50/43 city/highway mpg. Gasser CVT is 31/41 mpg. 5% less. I can't comment on others anecdotes, just giving you mine. My experience agrees with the EPA numbers, even for gassers with CVT's. There are other factors for sure, such as otto versus atkinson cycle, but it doesn't make any sense to pick these systems apart, they are designed to work together.

 

Yeah doesn’t seem too bad, not much of an upcharge over the non. My buddy with the Sienna does a lot of cross country trips, says it doesn’t kick into ev mode very much, gets better mpgs in town.