4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

Are you actually denying all the Tundra engine failures or are you just a troll?

 

Yeah, my MT AC Sport has the v6. It was more than I wanted or needed at the time (and even today), but there have been times that I've been glad to have the extra power. Still a bit resentful that I didn't snag one of the last 5 speed 4 bangers though.

 

In 2016-2017 you could get a 4 banger MT SR AC, however there was also a V6 MT SR DC but it was extremely rare.

 

Mainstream, I guess I should have used mass produced production....you know like 10 20 30 a day day in and day out..you know finding things like a cleaning process for the engine that is not working and clogging up things at 20K and torpedoing an engine....things like that won't be found on the less than 20 test engines etc. Or things like parts suppliers with faulty waste gates that once mass production begins it is discovered....that would not get discovered on a small sampling of test engines etc.

You know if I figured out how many 3rd gen owners were part of the 64K the percentage would go up right...the sampling was done by one dude...he did it so well and divulged so much info that Toyota sent him a cease and desist.

I am saying that once customers buy them you will have a much larger sample of vehicles being used in much different circumstances than your factory controls, those same vehicles will also come off the mass produced line, during normal production not the sample engines for testing. Testing shows what the engine is capable of if it is assembled correctly with the correct materials. That testing can't really determine what happens when something goes wrong in that process.

Luckily Toyota is pretty good about correcting those issues, but they have to be found out first, so I prefer to have those issues out in the open and corrected at the factory. Especially with something like the current gen 4 runner, since it has a reputation of legendary reliability.

 

And 3K is a bargain for the 148 lb-ft extra torque. I know people that spend 15K to upgrade their gen2 from 0 lb-ft to 160.

 

I'll hedge my bet 50-50 on that..lol

 

There are still a few floating around on the used market (5 speed 4 cyl) that are worth buying...I have thought about getting one of them myself for no other reason other than...just because I like em..lol

 

But you don’t race. Seems silly to have a truck with “race” features you won’t use. You wouldn’t be able to tow or haul or have a camper. We’re talking one truck that can do all that and pay homage to Ivan the GOAT. But if he’s not really your hero, I understand.

 

True. My truck is set up for my camping needs already and is paid off. No use in buying another truck right now as I already have two. If I were to buy a third, It would no doubt be a 2nd gen single cab 4 banger MT though, probably a RWD too. That would really round out my "collection."

 

Sure they do

And Toyota has a better failure rate than others at 1 in every 171

I wouldn't say overblown so much as just enough info to give one pause and look a little deeper.

I mean if a buyer is so blind to not acknowledge when there is info to take a closer look at to prevent any personal hardship later, or doesn't see value in pausing just a little while to make sure everything seems to be working like the marketing team is telling you it should, its on them.

 

You seem to have gotten extremely butt hurt by people talking badly about the TRD Pro truck that you don’t even own yet. Relax, breathe. It will all be OK.

 

Just trying to balance out the “no one needs anything more than an SR” perspective.

I know someone who bought a nice/expensive car and then got a beater for his long commute. He didn’t want to rack up the miles on his nice car. Two hours a day in an old econobox. Why torture yourself? Yes, you’ll depreciate your nice car faster but with a higher utilization rate, the cost per mile is the same. If you can afford it enjoy it.

 

It’s like putting plastic covers over your couches.

 

While I agree with you in principle, car debt has skyrocketed in the last 10 years. Most people would be better off financially in the long-term if they did "torture" themselves and buy a barebones model. Just because you can afford it doesn't mean it is a financially responsible decision.

I say this as someone who bought a second truck that I didn't need. I did pay cash, but I still sometimes regret the decision, as it was no doubt an unnecessary and irresponsible purchase. I am usually a cheap bastard though.

 

You’re almost as bad as OpeCity, so much stuff goes over your head. “If” I was going to pay homage to Ivan, I would build a race truck and race the fucking thing. Rather be doing than showboating.

Not into racing anymore, and more about just plunking around looking at the scenery, camping, and seeking out as much single track on the dirt bike I can.

Those Halo vehicles are terrible at hauling campers and towing, don’t see the point of them other than to flex at Lowe’s. Some guys are into that, not me.

 

I sure did put up a fuss not being about to get a manual, now really grown to like it. Have been in chronic pain since my teens, was helping my dad move rail road ties around, and blew it out then. Herniated in 2014, it has healed…and ever since I quite driving a manual, it is the best its’ ever felt. Have little recollection of it ever feeling good. So think I’ll pass on getting another manual. Still have my 1st Gen, so if I get to missing it I’ll take that for a Sunday drive.

Yeah, truck prices are nuts. Saw this in another thread. Speaking of how terrible Toyotas packages are.


https://www.theautopian.com/trimfla...makers-raised-prices-so-much-in-the-pandemic/

 

I had three personal vehicles, trust me you don’t save any money. SR trim is plenty nice enough for me. Why pay for shit that I am not going to even use. Don’t use most of the options on my SR, so better off paying $55-65K for even more shit I won’t use? Is that your logic?

 

Show of hands, how many people who can afford more than an SR are considering buying an SR?

 

I don’t even know what I can afford anymore with all of these markups and port add ons but I wouldn’t buy lower than an Offroad

 

Exception - have an SR5 4WD Auto allocation because I don't want the detuned engine. Otherwise I'd get an SR allocation. I've owned/driven everything from econobox to luxury, foreign and domestic, and there are only 2 things I like in every one - (p)leather seats and ceramic tinted glass. Both of which I can do on whatever I buy. Much prefer steel wheels too.