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Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by chazmen, Feb 7, 2024.

  1. Feb 7, 2024 at 9:27 PM
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    50Buck

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    I'm in the Rockies, so hills are a thing here too. Still shocked to see the mpg that low without lots of idle time. Unless you are running 75 MPH everywhere. Hills and speed will do it.
     
  2. Feb 7, 2024 at 9:31 PM
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    You're not normally going to get up to 75 constantly around town. The 2gr-fks is just a noisy dog IMHO. Pretty reliable, but not enjoyable. And any modern Vehicles should get half decent gas mileage all the way up to 80 mph. :notsure:
     
  3. Feb 7, 2024 at 9:34 PM
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  4. Feb 7, 2024 at 9:47 PM
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    First up, are you hand calculating or using the computer? There is a margin of error in the dash, so you may be getting better than it reads. Second, are your tires properly inflated? I personally run mine at about 40 PSI for a little better MPG and so I don't get low tire alarms in the really cold mornings. Third, how much corn is in that gas? If you can get ethanol free, it will help. Fourth, winter fuel blend will cost you a couple MPG usually as well.

    Those are just suggestions to make sure everything is accounted for. If they are, the 16 MPG is in town? That's about right when you add in the hills. The TRD OR EPA rating is only 18 city, and that would be a flat ground scenario. Losing 1 or 2 for hills is to be expected. If any of the suggestions above are out of line then you could see solid improvements.


    For the bold part, um, nope. The EPA test never exceeds 60 IIRC. When they list city and highway MPGs, that highway is for stuff like 2 lane highways, not interstates. Also, Toyota doesn't do modern. They are slow to implement stuff because they generally want to work out all the bugs first. Thus the reliability. Exciting is rarely a term used to describe anything Toyota.



    Now, I will say that the power train isn't going to excite and it's certainly something complained about a lot, but I've put a bit over a year into mine and it has learned pretty well. I wouldn't call it a dog, because I don't expect a small 6 to be anything remotely comparable to the 5.7 V8 I had in the Tundra before it. It behaves about as expected for a midsize truck. It tows 12 foot utility trailer fine enough. I wouldn't try to tow much over 3500 lbs with most midsize, though. I like overkill, and keeping it around 3K lbs makes it easy enough to manage. If I want to tow more than that, I'd go back to a full size truck. Just the way I operate. I know that's not necessarily helpful in your situation, but I have found that being happy with a vehicle means managing expectations and doing lots of research before hand.
     
  5. Feb 7, 2024 at 10:15 PM
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    All good advice, very thoughtful in fact. I keep the tires at 31 PSI, anymore that that would be rough with our government roads. The fuel around here is definitely subpar, I do run 93 octane just because. I know it's not needed, the compression isn't that high. E-free fuel is basically nonexistent, there's one or two pumps about and hour away, so not worth it. One would just think if I got 18 MPG with an old Chevy, Toyota could do better. I do understand how they get the mpg ratings, but 16 is just pretty bad. I did calculate it after filling up, the computer was almost spot on surprisingly.

    I'm very familiar with Toyota and how they do things, this is my third Toyota and second Tacoma. The deal is my 2010 simply handled the to terrain in my area better, I didn't have to put my foot in it like I do with the 3rd gen. I didn't want to sell my 2010 but the frame was rotting out, so I went with a new Taco because the old one was very reliable and comfortable. Now though, I'm thinking this may be my last Toyota. I don't think they're worth the Toyota tax anymore, they're all the same now, so buy what fits not the brand IMHO.
     
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  6. Feb 7, 2024 at 11:32 PM
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    Bit of a change going from your trusty, comfortable 2010. These trucks aren’t for everyone. They are noisy with their D4-S system for sure. They also have a soft component of AI that tries to learn your driving habits. Toyota calls it “Force Value”. The engine and transmission have a meeting and try and decide what to do when you press the gas peddle. Geared for MPG’s and emission targets. That’s why the transmission shifts up fast 2 gears and then downshifts back down one when daily driving. Will also downshift for you while going down a steep hill to provide engine breaking. But that is inconsistent.

    I live in a hilly area as well. I find I use S-Mode regularly around town. Especially when I have to keep up with traffic and or be aggressive due to congestion and Weasley drivers. Also, when Mountain driving, S-mode is a must. Although when you dial up 3k rpm+ it can move for a heavy truck with a V6.

    But where it shines is back road mountain exploring IMO. Just love that aspect. As a daily driver, city commuter it’s okay but you see its weaknesses. Flat highway driving while not in a rush I do enjoy using the dynamic radar cruse control.

    Some strongly recommend a tune and find that really helps. Yes, milage is not great but as mentioned above there are some variables that can hamper MPG’s. look at my Fuelly. But I really enjoy the truck so I take the seasonal MPG’s and running slightly bigger and heavier A/T tires as the cost of being happy. YMMV.

    Don’t know if more time with the truck will help you adjust to it’s quirks and see if MPG’s will improve with warmer weather and summer blended gas tho.

    Anyhow, at the end of the day if you are not happy, by all means you should sell and move on.
     
  7. Feb 7, 2024 at 11:38 PM
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    Bummer on the frame. :(

    I'd definitely drop the octane. It's not doing anything for you in regards to performance or MPGs. Have you tried https://www.pure-gas.org/ to see if there is ethanol free closer? It's community run/updated so it may have stuff in your area, but it may not. I found some extra ones in my state I wasn't aware of for the road trips I take.

    Unfortunately, for a naturally aspirated body on frame truck the MPGs just aren't there if that's a priority. However, it is still generally cheaper to drive what you already have than to trade/sell and buy a new vehicle unless the MPG difference is gigantic. Even then, it's going to take a long time to break even, let alone come out ahead. Especially if you make lots of short trips that don't let everything get up to temp. That murders the fuel economy.

    As a final note, if you only have 2000 miles on it, you are a long way from it breaking in the engine, and the MPG will definitely improve after you get some more miles on it.
     
  8. Feb 8, 2024 at 1:25 AM
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    It will get better when broke in . The motor is still tight . It will also feel better with more mileage . Will it be fast no . You need to drive it more . The tranny will lean your driving habits also
     
  9. Feb 8, 2024 at 2:43 AM
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    They hold their value. You don’t go to the dealership and ask “what is my truck worth”
    You go to the dealership informed and YOU make the deal.

    Anytime they are on the drivers seat, you lose.
     
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  10. Feb 8, 2024 at 2:43 AM
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    I think $34k is a solid number right off the hip for a dealer and maybe $37 for a retail sale. I can book it out later, don't use KBB, go off NADA as thats what banks use and Black Book as that is what dealers use and compare it to NADA. My price is just a guess. Sometimes I use a book and mostly what I buy for resale I already know the market. I think you have a desirable Tacoma with the right color. The Trail like you have is kinda short lived so the right person may snatch it up.
     
  11. Feb 8, 2024 at 7:05 AM
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    I don't even see any used TE Tacoma trucks for under $39,000.
     
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    Dealers are criminals. Ran the numbers to get an idea if I wanted to trade into a 2024 Tundra. Current truck 2022 TRD OR Taco. Pristine condition pretty much loaded minus the sunroof w/28k miles. Offered me $31k........lol
     
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    Yeah I've been to the pure gas website, I work on small handheld engines Chainsaw, trimmers, blower Etc. Ethanol destroys the fuel systems, the new equipment is more resistant, but it's still a big problem, lots of corrosion in the carbs, with ethanol being so hydroscopic.

    I'm sure she will loosen up some more, maybe I'll get the OTT tune at some point.
     
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    We just sold one of our two 2022 Tacomas. We were please to get $28.5K for our 2WD 2.7L four cylinder DCSB SR that we bought new for $32.5K. Only $4K loss in 24 months of driving.
     
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    punch your vin into carvana. then come back
     
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  16. Feb 8, 2024 at 11:56 AM
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    I think $39200 is a solid retail price for it and more if its a manual transmission.
     

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