Some thoughts after demoing a 4th gen

“Nobody cares about your opinion.”

* Types out a paragraph response to my opinion - peak irony.

Also multiple wrong baseless assumptions, I test drove the mini Tundra a couple weeks ago. It was very lackluster compared to an actual Tundra that I also test drove. You are correct on one thing though, I won’t be buying a new Tacoma. I think it’s funny how defensive you are getting for me stating paying $50k+ for a Tacoma is an objectively bad purchase. I’m not “bashing you” I promise. I’m simply stating objective facts and you’re getting in your feelings about it. As long as you are happy with your purchase that is all that matters, no need to get super defensive when people on this forum criticize the price point of the 4th gen.

 

I wish I knew why it was discounted heavily as well. It was a dealer trade and I bought it on Feb. 29th (last day of the month)? Maybe they were trying to make numbers for the month? What's crazy is their initial offer was $52,500. I would have expected MSRP as a starting point.

 

Or a Tundra I'm betting.

 

I'm down near Muskogee, and Hodge Toyota is terrible. I hate their service department especially, 4 hour wait for ToyotaCare oil change. Open to other dealers but will not pay MSRP when I know that other dealers will go below MSRP.

 

I’m waiting on Toyota to release a BEV truck by hopefully 2026. If it turns out meh, I will most likely buy a Tundra due to my Toyota bias. If the F150 Lightning had a Toyota badge I would already own one. I apologize if my bashing of the 4th gen pricing was offensive to you, I promise i’m not trying to bash or attack you.

 

Welcome to TW. Nice truck. FYI, there is an ignore feature. Cuts down on the noise.

 

Agree that OTD should mean everything you paid for the car, but it is also misleading when comparing across different states.

Another pricing thread on here specifically called out price before tax, tag, and title, which makes for a fairer comparison, but not what you'll pay OTD.

In Georgia they have a 6.5% ad valorem tax paid when you buy the car, which I believe is pretty different from most other states (you only pay ad valorem once for the life of the car). This makes the $52k truck appear almost $56k

 

In Oklahoma you have 60 days to pay your excise tax to the state (done at a licensed tag agency including Indian Tribe agency's if you qualify). The state of Oklahoma charges 4.5 percent, most tribes are 1.5 percent. Since the vehicle purchase and the tax/tag are done at different times different transactions they are not considered part of the purchase price. Just too many variables in OK to come up with an accurate number.

 

You need to look up the difference between objective and subjective.

 

Objective - (of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

I am bias towards Toyota and Taco’s but objectively speaking and setting my personal subjective feelings aside, $50k+ for a Tacoma is a joke when compared to other options.

You should have stayed in school.

 

Lol, so you don't personally feel or have the opinion that "$50K+ is a joke when compared to other options"? This is just a fact, plain and simple? Your take on the price is subjective.

I don't like the price either but you really aren't making a good argument, and other options are not as great as you portray them to be.

 

My inserted subjective opinion of it being a horrible price when compared to other options is based on objective facts, this is called an inference. My subjective take on the price arises from objectively comparing it to other options.

If i said yellow was a super bright ass color compared to black, that would be an objective statement, even though i’m using subjective words and adjectives like “super bright ass”. To someone else it may subjectively be only “slightly brighter than”, but objectively the fact remains that it is brighter.

 

So in your opinion, it's not worth $50k, do we have that right? Because that's what's coming from your posts. You think there are better options for $50k.

Totally agree you can get better value for money with a full size truck (always has been), but a Tundra is not a Taco, so you can't say it's better in every way.

To be fair, I don't think the Taco is worth $50+ k either, but I don't think any cars are worth what people pay for them nowadays.

 

Finally, we don't get to set the value of something, the market does. So even if only one person were to buy a $55k Taco, that means it is in fact worth that much (because someone was willing to pay it).

 

Just because the market sets a high price of a good or service does not preclude something being an objectively poor price. Both of these things can be true.

If i own a patent for a good/service that costs $2 to produce but i sell it for $2000 due to my patent monopoly, that doesn’t mean the $2k price is not objectively bad for the end consumer. One might make a subjective inference and say that $2k is a “shit ass price” based on the objective facts.

 

Yeah but that was a limited...You can get 4x4 SR5 Tacomas at MSRP, which is what low 40s

edit.. jesus what happened in here this morning lol

 

Here's my assessment of the new Tacoma after about a month of owning and driving one. Owning a new 2024 TRD Sport since mid Feb AND a new 2023 Tundra TRD Sport since last May (wife's vehicle) I can give a fair assessment of the two. Both seem solidly built. The Tundra has WAY too stiff of a ride for my liking, the suspension seems hard and the seat even harder! The Tacoma has a firm but comfortable ride with a comfortable seat and well placed controlls. It gives you the feeling of being in control and that it can handle anything the average driver asked of it. By average driver, I'm not talking about someone that would spend $50k on a new truck and then take it out to MOAB for a test drive.
Im not saying it could or couldn't handle it because Ive never been there and never will be. If I were so inclined I would buy or build up and old beater truck that I wouldn't feel bad if it got destroyed. The engine in both vehicles seem to be smooth and plenty powerful enough. My Tacoma engine has some serious power in reserve should I ever need it! Its the 278hp/8 speed transmission.
Both engine and transmission are smooth and add to the vehicles sporty feel.
I'm not a big fan of the air dam under the front and will probably remove it it will take about 3 minutes with a ¼" impact driver.
Mine is the 5ft bed, I wish it were the 6ft.
Back seat isn't roomy but will haul grandkids without any problem. I wouldn't want to go on any long trips setting back there as an adult.
That's what the Tundra is for.
I think Toyota chinced out by putting a "Limited Use" (full size) spare tire under it.
The tires/wheels on it are 18".
My fuel mileage is questionable at this point.
I'm currently running a mpg test with this last fill up. My 'average' mpg shows 16.9. Either it's that bad or it's lying!
There are so many digital gauge layouts and other bits of information available on the instrument cluster that it's a nightmare trying to search through it all via the 16 switches on the steering wheel to find what you're looking for. I will NEVER need to know at what angle my Tacoma is tilting at! Just give me an odometer, engine temperature, oil pressure, ammeter, speedometer and how much gas is in the tank and Ill get where I want to go just fine! The Tacoma is a good looking midsized truck that fits my needs perfectly. If I need to pull our camper or take 5 adults somewhere I'll jump in the Tundra!
I am finding that many aftermarket accessories are not yet available because the companies haven't been able to get their hands on a 2024 yet to to do mock ups from.
Raptor running boards or the Lo-Max trifold bedcover like we put on the Tundra are as yet unavailable!
Yes, they are pricey. Mine out the door was 51k with full 7yr/75k mile bumper to bumper warranty. But buying it and the warranty was my choice. I wasn't forced into it, I could afford it, and so I did it. So far, I like the truck a lot. It's stylish, darn peppy and fun to drive!

 

Is that an opinion on going from light to light, or doing anything with it? Im most concerned with towing 3 - 4k lbs through mountains. I know its not ideal for this, but the 3G can get it done (barely), without having to move over to a behemoth full size truck.

Some say, get both. But I think its stupid to pay the DMV and insurance thousands every year to have a handy extra vehicle sitting around. Id rather not give those booger eating morons more that I have to. The roads here are crap. What are they doing with it?

 

That post was just an idea of what I'm seeing as I learn the new truck and a little comparison of the Tacoma to our Tundra.
I can't answer your question about the Tacoma's towing capacity. If I had to make that haul up the hill on a regular basis and only wanted to support one overpriced vehicle (I think all are), then I would go with a full size truck, not just based on it's ability to pull heavy loads uphill but also it's ability to control the load in high crosswinds and the ability to stop the load when needed. But thats just my ideas on it and I certainly am not the expert on it.

 

Good synopsis. It seems like a lot of people would write the same about their previous gen. Tacos make more people happy than not in any gen. Agree on the digital adds. Every new vehicle seems like 1/4 of the new electronics you think, ya ok thats not a bad idea. But 3/4 of the new electronics you absolutely don't need but now have to pay for and really do nothing for you. There just expensive lipstick and wigs on the pig. Example I love the addition of full time 4wd. Where I live that is so helpful vs turning 4 hi on and off and/or driving down the road trying to guess if you need 4wd. And Like you just give me the gauges. There is no need for digital computer read outs and computer screens. Theres enough computers and screens in my life as it is.

Sure seems from early reports that the new mpg is the same mpg.