Long Travel BS Thread

If I needed 700 lb springs for my "mid-travel" setup, will I need 700 lb springs for LT, too?

 

Not likely - you’re looking at the depot +2 though correct?

 

Correct

With bumper/winch/armor, my front is 3k lbs.

 

The angle of the shock (ie the location of the lower mount) determines the advantage the spring has so it just depends on the angle of your old and new setup and if you can find those factors you should be able to have an idea of that.

 

You mean taking your truck and parts to a shop 12 hours away in the middle of nowhere with bands of cash and giving a fist bump and sayin "text me when you get going on it" isnt the best idea? lol

 

I got a chassis I’ll sell ya
Real cheap

 

600lb

 

That’s crazy talk, saying DK and DMZ are inferior kits. I went with the JD fab for the 14s and frame braces (no issues other than being untuned), but I admire the DMZ kit for how proven it is. The DK kit is pretty sexy too. Only seen a couple trucks running it though. They claim 18” of wheel travel out of it.

 

Archive hammer hangers, shock relocate, 2.5x14’s and U402’s.

Maybe I shouldn’t speak too much on the off-road as I have yet to use it. However onx hunt, maps are the entire state. Also, you still have the option if needed and cell service is available to create a hotspot at make changes.

I’m the only one noticing the issue because I’m the only one taking a deep dive into this kit and figuring out why certain behaviors exist. It’s not an end all for everybody. But if you have the JD kit, leaf separation is a thing. Heavy wrap is a thing. Improper shackle angle is a thing. You’re definitely not pulling 17 clean (as advertised). This isn’t some made up BS. It’s just simply spending the time to REALLY look at how something is working. Most guys put parts on, don’t measure and don’t question anything.

And again. I’m not saying this kit is pure trash. Upsides do exist. But after taking a deep nose dive into SUA geometry, I know and fully understand why you don’t see that style shackle anymore. 95% of guys are going to be perfectly fine with it. It’s the 5% that over analyze things and research heavily in hopes of finding constant improvement.

And on the topic of rocks and “boat anchors”. Race trucks see rocks too. If it were as big of a disadvantage as everybody views it, why would race trucks be running the style shackle they are? Because there are more pros than cons.

 

We agree all kits have both pros and cons. We spent A LOT of time and testing before finalizing our design. We did look at the negative effect (ground clearance) and determined the additional performance was far more beneficial than some additional ground clearance. Our kit is a true 18" of travel when used with a 16" shock and 19.5" of travel when used with a 18" shock. I will attach a raw clip from one of our videos with these numbers as well. We have done over 3 dozen of these installs in house and have sold hundreds of these kits and have never had a customer that needed to replace one of the included "boat anchors". I would absolutely put this kit against anything that has come to market. I will include 3 videos 1 of completed measurements, installed with 16" shock (truck with bed) and 1 with an 18" shock (truck with no bed)

After Measurements (skip to 4:10)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZXILTF0kV4

16" shock

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cv-LTUVgYrh/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

18" shock

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzJ19z_PyvG/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

 

Is this a +3.5? It looks massively wide but maybe it's just the offset wheels.

 

Yeah, I was running a similar setup but with the Icon RXTs instead of the Deavers. It was perfectly capable I just didn't find it very fun in the whoops and felt like I really had to watch my speed... but I have a heavy foot!

I think it's disingenuous to claim that you're the only person looking at this stuff but I'm willing to concede that you're probably one of the few people trying to pull every quarter inch out of what you have on. I'm strapped at just under 17 and I'm okay with it but I'm sure that's part of why I'm having less issues, too.

I also think we both know that race trucks aren't seeing the same rocks that crawlers are. The boat anchors really aren't an issue until you're trying to do things with steep rocky inclines like Soup Bowl (below, not me, a truck at the Marlin roundup a few years ago). But like you, that's probably a minority of trucks too.

People are just optimizing kits for different situations and finding their limitations are different for different use cases. That makes sense. If there was one perfect kit for every problem then we'd all be running it!

 

Yes that is our 3.5" kit, it looks like it has a pretty negative offset on the wheels or a front wheel spacer

 

I’m gonna be the one to say it. You don’t magically pull extra travel out of leaf springs and still have “clean” travel. Can you get 19.5”? Sure. Is it clean? No.

Deaver themselves will tell you straight up what their springs are designed to do travel wise.

This market is so unbelievably misleading.

 

Overlanding truck that needs LT to go fast to get to the campsites before everyone else and also climb over refrigerators to get there.

 

I’m with @snowsk8air2. If you’re here, ditch the leafs.

 

Ditch the leafs for what? A trailing arm setup that is simply going to shit all over anything I try to do with the front short of cutting the entire front off and center mounting? I’m not poor, but I certainly don’t have 150k kicking around lol. IMO, this is the wrong platform to start linking to begin with. Full size is so much more suited for it.

 

If you're going to call @Dirt King Fab liars then shouldn't you at least provide some more specific detail as to exactly why you think that extra 1 1/2" is a misleading statement.

 

This
So many mistakes made on my end
Should have just started full size

 

Not calling them liars. I flat said it was possible. Make a call to Deaver. Ask what the H70 packs are meant to travel “clean”. Report back.