4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

That video has a direct question about the slight detune of the manual. The answer isn’t “because they can't control the driver in the manual and the force he can produce.”

it’s from crankshaft hammering due to a heavier flywheel. But that is only the answer from the lead engineer of the 4th gen, so who knows what’s correct.

 

Yeah, already seen. And discussed here about that. Cool for you. Moving on.

 

I wonder how long until someone does a proper iForce versus iForce MAX comparison on a dyno.

That’s really what we need.

 

I’d love to have that orange 2nd gen pro, but adjust for inflation and a 2015 pro is 51k in todays dollars.

A 2024 TRD Off Road with some options is a superior product for that kind of buying power.

 

It is not required to use 91 octane ! How many times do we have to revisit this.

 

This is the video he was talking about around the 10 minute mark he talks about being able to control the WOT in the auto and detune a little but not possible in the manual so they have to drop a little power to compensated and meet the drive line stess specs...(para phrasing here). Good coverage on the special seats too earlier in the video....and he breaks the test truck...lol


https://youtu.be/jIovgEN_gwg?si=BhNuxToKphZfhTV0

 

I can't wait for the 2026 model year when all the beta testers paying so much for a truck find all the issues as well hopefully interest rates go down. And maybe we will get a new trd pro colour. Pink this time? Dusty taco is probably what it'll be called.

 

Historically, what do automakers do when a vehicle doesn’t sell and token “discounts” don’t cut it? Do they authorize steep discounts, or do they cut their losses and either disco the vehicle or design a cheaper one?

No, the Taco will never be discontinued. But I am of the firm opinion that it's not going to sell at the current price points.

 

My original post, which incorrectly stated 91 was required (it is recommended), was more about the fuel savings of a Pro/TH vs a RR. With the same fuel, a Pro/TH will cost you $700-800 less per year. That's at $4/gal. Some are paying more per gal now. If gas goes to $5/gal (and some are paying more than that now), you would save $1,000/yr. Makes the 6K difference between the Ford and the Toyota a pay me now or pay me later proposition.

For those who say the Max won't achieve EPA numbers, if you're not getting EPA from a vehicle, you're not going to get it from any vehicle. It's you not the vehicle. I always get EPA or better from my vehicles, meaning my driving profile matches the EPA test profile. If you drive differently, you are always going to get less than EPA.

 

Pretty much. See the $16k off for the BZ4 from Toyota. Also look at all the 4 door cars that Ford sells...poof!

 

For those who say the Max won't achieve EPA numbers, if you're not getting EPA from a vehicle, you're not going to get it from any vehicle. It's you not the vehicle. I always get EPA or better from my vehicles, meaning my driving profile matches the EPA test profile. If you drive differently, you are always going to get less than EPA.[/QUOTE]

I generally agree; however, there seems to be something unique about the hybrid setup on Tundra/Sequoia that cause them to so badly underperform the EPA-estimated MPG. It will be a year or so before real-world MPG for the Tacoma setup becomes clear. Could be 23; could be quite a bit less. For comparison, our Rav4 hybrid hits and easily surpasses its EPA numbers, as many others have found.

 

Assume you mean discounted not discontinued.

Sure they'll be discounted, just like the Tundra is currently being discounted.

 

I meant discontinued. It'll never happen on the Taco. I was speaking about vehicles in general.

 

I generally agree; however, there seems to be something unique about the hybrid setup on Tundra/Sequoia that cause them to so badly underperform the EPA-estimated MPG. It will be a year or so before real-world MPG for the Tacoma setup becomes clear. Could be 23; could be quite a bit less. For comparison, our Rav4 hybrid hits and easily surpasses its EPA numbers, as many others have found.[/QUOTE]


Real world data, like from Fuelly?

So according to the Fuelly data, Tundra hybrids get worse mpg than non-hybrids. Generally every 100lb means a 1-2% decrease in mpg, so lugging around an extra 400lb of motor/battery results in a loss of 1 mpg. In other words, the hybrid is just dead weight? Or Max drivers like the power and drive more aggressively? Fuelly and "real world" reports aren't standardized, EPA testing is and during those tests, the hybrid improved mpg.

 

I feel like lugging that extra weight around with an engine/transmission that have the same efficiency would make highway mpg worse. City should be better since you can capture otherwise wasted energy and use that when accelerating.

 

I believe what you’re describing above is called the “Gladiator Effect”.

If anyone has the correct solution, be sure to forward your findings to a Jeep executive asap.

 

Gladiator is a great example of a vehicle that doesn't sell, but the reason it doesn't sell is different than the reason I feel that G4 Taco won't sell.

 

Real world data, like from Fuelly?

So according to the Fuelly data, Tundra hybrids get worse mpg than non-hybrids. Generally every 100lb means a 1-2% decrease in mpg, so lugging around an extra 400lb of motor/battery results in a loss of 1 mpg. In other words, the hybrid is just dead weight? Or Max drivers like the power and drive more aggressively? Fuelly and "real world" reports aren't standardized, EPA testing is and during those tests, the hybrid improved mpg.

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Yeah, I guess like Fuelly, with the understanding that you can easily beat the Fuelly MPG (18.7ish for the Tacoma) if you drive judiciously. Regardless, the hybrid should have higher MPG #s on Fuelly, should it not?

 

I have made arrangements to pay a deposit for a TRD Pro on Saturday. Dealer says production is not set to start until summer. Not sure if that’s the official summer solstice or what. But I figure getting on the list is the quickest way to get one.

I plan to get Black on Black when it’s available. She said the wait may be longer if I wait on a specific build. They get what is sent to them. They done get to choose.

 

Find another dealer.