Electric vs Gas Cost

Range extended EVs work in basically the same way that Diesel-Electric trains do. So if anyone wants the big dunk, the fundamental tech has been around for a century

 

Correct, and the same could be said about diesel in cold weather locations. For some not looking further than the headlines, they may think the video is a blanket issue for all EV's in the cold. I'm just saying EV's can be managed in the bitterness of winter in worse conditions if the infrastructure is there.

 

Real world, we see about 275whr/mile, so we'd be looking at 4647kwhr.

In terms of costs for charging at home, we have solar and we only charge during the day time since we produce more than we consume even while charging the car. Admittedly, we only have a L1 charger at home since we really didn't see the need of a L2 charger at home. So we currently pay nothing for charging.

Assuming we didn't have solar, didn't charge at the office (like we currently do) and charged only at home:
Based on this doc, our rate is:
Summer Peak (4-9pm) - $0.62647/Kwh
Summer off peak - $0.54303/Kwh
Winter Peak - $0.52376/Kwh
Winter Off peak - $0.49541/Kwh

For 16,900 miles:
Worst case (solely charging at summer peak) -> $2911
Best case (solely charging at winter off peak) -> $2302

 

Wow. That’s wild how much electricity costs vary across different regions.

 

Yeah, my i3 automatically preconditioned based on my commuting schedule. Car was always warm and ready to go when I needed it.

My electricity bill halved when I moved to Oregon. Renewables are great.

 

Gotta love commiefornia...

 

I traded off my 21 taco for a 23 Corolla hybrid SE last fall. 6 months in, I've logged about 9000 miles with an average of 49.9 mpg. That includes letting it warm up for extended periods this winter as my project truck was taking up the garage. I average about 450 miles per tank, which around here costs 27-30 dollars for a fill up(currently). With warm weather starting, my average is definitely going up. For example here is a recent trip in the picture. Could an all electric be cheaper? Maybe, as my current rates are around 14.9 cent/kwh at home rates. In my situation, I may be going to a job requiring roughly 200 miles/day so that hybrid is a lot more appealing.

 

Get used to it they are not going away.

 

is cold weather an issue in NC ?

 

Who wants them to go away? They work for some and not for others. Pros and cons whether you like it or not fanboy lol.

 

On some days in winter it is. Usually fairly mild. I guess EVs are big where you live though right? I read Vancouver has relatively mild winters and 25% of new cars are EVs lol

 

I don't live in Vancouver but yes , lots of EV's in BC

 

Oh snap, it hit 30°. Brutal winter.

 

Tesla to the moon... Let's keep that stock pumping

 

Not a bad winter but dropped into the teens at night for several periods where I live. Not uncommon to see single digits during cold snaps in the mountains of NC and I’ve seen that here as well.
https://www.wxii12.com/article/north-carolina-arctic-blast-triad-weather-concerns/46409783

 

Those temps don’t bother an EV. I used to leave mine outside and down to -20°F it really wasn’t a problem. Initial energy consumption while the cab heated and battery warmed up was high but after that it stabilized at normal levels. No different than an internal combustion engine being much less efficient in cold temperatures.

 

I’m an engineer who researches so don’t agree with your claim. Sound like an exaggeration.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...degrees,Automobile Association found in 2019.

 

I won’t argue with actual verifiable data. What I mentioned was just based on extensive personal experience with both in cold weather. Big benefit of the EV is immediate heat at those temps, something an ICE can’t do since it relies on waste heat energy for cabin heating. If the EV is plugged in before driving the energy loss from the battery in cold weather is negligible as the battery is already warmed.

 

From my research I fully agree that pre-heat of the battery charging at home helps a lot. However there is still significant range loss due to cabin heat. Not to say that this can’t be managed well as you appear to do. But for long range travel and charging in cold conditions this will be a challenge.

For my driving, mostly short range an EV would not be a problem with home charging. Bit I wouldn’t trade my Tacoma for one, I like it too much and do make occasional long trips and a quick stop for gas is my preference. Here’s an interesting article comparing impact of cold weather on various EV models you may find interesting.
https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/winter-ev-range-loss

 

I'm 78 years old I was the the vehicle repair business for 38 years have seen the good the bad and the ugly and have heard the fan boy sh## before because I drove and repaired foreign vehicles because of my age it's doubtful that I will be driving an electric Tacoma but I would in a heart beat. It is the future get used to it non fan boy, "the times they are a changing".