4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

Need some beta testers to report back. You in line?

 

Remind me again why we can’t just use a naturally aspirated V8 that will be lighter and generate more horsepower instead we have all this Rube Goldberg nonsense of hybrids and turbos?

 

I could, but it would likely get me banned

 

I have a 200 series. It has a big ass V8. It goes hard. I’m not concerned about emissions. I’ve been to China and Southeast Asia. Trust me. We are not polluting.

 

Doesn't Ferrari make V12s that have extremely low emissions?

 

"Pollution" here has been re-defined to include CO2. Only thing you can do to reduce CO2 (without increasing, say, CO, which actually is harmful) is to reduce the amount of fuel you burn.
Need to take that up with the powers that be in November.

 

I would wait until you see some payload stickers in the actual trucks on the lot...I think the payload stickers may tell a different story.

 

I stand corrected. I assumed payload would be reduced due to 400lb heavier truck with hybrid. Looked it up and indeed higher payload on the hybrid by about 180 lbs on the OR .

 

Most vehicles get better mpg on the highway. If you drive 90 miles on the highway and 10 in the city your average mpg will be biased by the higher highway mpg. The EPA highway mpg has a lot of stop and go and is <10 miles so it will be heavily biased by the higher city (stop & go) mpg the hybrid achieves. So, not conjecture.

 

It likely would but, no need. ( some here can see through the bullshit )

We know what you mean.

 

Cons:$3700 surcharge.

 

Thats some arcane $hit over at the EPA testing site. They should give a standard x liters/km consumption at 35 MPH and 70 MPH on the dyno and call it a day. It seems pointless (and impossible) to model city/stop-go driving, factor elevation gains, drag coefficients etc.

 

Some of y’all are being a little selective about the benefits of the hybrid system. We’ve known since before the taco was released how this system works and the benefits it provides. You’ll probably notice it most in everyday slow speed city driving and low speed off-road driving. It was never about massive mpg gains. It was never going to compete with the likes of a the beautiful 3.0L ttv6 in the ranger.

You also get a 9.5 inch rear diff and 8.9 inch front diff. That alone to me is worth the upgrade. It also shows the system does more than some of you are speculating. The fact that Toyota felt the need beef up the differentials to maintain durability says it all.

On top of that you get larger brakes and stronger CVs on the hybrids. Doesn’t seem that bad considering the price.

I know there’s 3 levels of brakes on the new truck. I think the hybrid gets the second largest brakes. If you want to step up to the TH or pro you get 13 inch rotors and SS braided brake lines. That’s a small touch that makes a huge difference in brake response and feel. Oh and exclusive steering racks is a BIG one. Some of the more hardcore owners have felt the need to add tundra brake kits and tundra steering racks to their trucks.

So way more benefits than 0-60 which too many people seem to be focusing on. I would pay a small premium for larger diffs and better brakes alone.

 

This isn’t demonstrating how it will lose a MPG on the highway. But sure, you’re not engaging in conjecture

 

I don't think it will cause much issues or maybe none at all. Tundra hybrid is the same setup with the hybrid motor between the engine and transmission. Hybrid and non hybrid have their transmissions mounted in two different locations. What kind of issues and problems could that cause? Probably none, might be an issue for mechanics servicing the trucks. Hybrid already adds weight, and pushing the transmission farther back will change the weight distribution. I saw that the only change after the transmission is the rear shaft.

Not counting the increase in torque, these trucks are going to drive very differently.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing the upgraded diffs and brakes available on all models including non hybrid.

 

Good post. You make a very compelling point.
Loss of storage is really the big killer for me at this point. I still want to see actual trucks with actual payloads listed before I get too excited by it though.

I could see a base OR Hybrid with upgraded head unit if the payload is good in my future. Heated seats would be nice as well, but now we are getting to the ceiling of my self imposed budget for a midsize truck lol.

 

The hybrid is heavier. Heavier means less mpg. Short highway test with stop & go means hybrid benefit plays a major role. During long distance, steady state highway driving the hybrid has no effect. The hybrid is heavier. Heavier means less mpg.

 

And yet, Toyota rates it 1mpg higher in similar trim

 

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Keep in mind that excess weight resulting in lower gas mileage is often proportional to the amount of power a car produces. For example, an extra 100 pounds in a full size truck won’t be a big deal but that extra weight will have a big impact on your smart car or other "small" hybrid.

If you're buying a Truck for fuel economy you may want to re-think your options