Toyota repeatedly halted Mexico plant after suppliers hit by worker shortage

lol good luck with changing the entire auto industry and epa regulations with your forum complaints

 

EPA regulations? 4runner still has a V6, Frontier still has a V6. Trucks still have V8s. No reason why Toyota could not have kept a simple V6.

Both don't have QC issues that look like a 3 year old put them together lol. Not every automaker is putting out vehicles with shit build quality and QC issues, esp with a 50k price tag.

Hence why Toyota is discounting new tacomas 3-5K right now.

 

Pretty soon the 4Runner will be nearly identical to the Tacoma. Certainly the frontend, powertrain, suspension and cabin. It will be interesting if the 4Runner Japanese quality is deemed better than the Tacoma.

 

I get that. But I am just making the point that Toyota doesn't have to use a turbo 4.

 

I would love better gas mileage out of my 2016 4Runner. But it’s rock solid and with all of the storms and floods we’ve been having, it’s our go to vehicle of choice.

 

4runner is the last rock-solid Toyota product.

My buddy has a 2022. It's build quality is far better than my 3rd gen. The 4runner has perfect body gaps and paint.

 

Dumb point considering the 4Runner that is currently in production at this moment will have the I4 turbo.

Frontiers are ass and the DI VQ is a sludge factory. The dipstick is borderline unreadable , the wheel doesn’t telescope and despite being on a 17 year run of the last gen , the new one shares tons of parts as well as the abysmal crash rating. My brother had a 23’ and it had idle trim issues, a schizo transmission , and fouled a cat all within the first three months.

If you don’t wanna buy one don’t, but bitching online isn’t going to make one lick of difference to a global auto manufacturer who has carbon credits and regulations to consider.

It shifts better , it’s faster and more powerful, and it’s more efficient. As far as Toyota is concerned that’s a win. Also Toyota was able to do this without implementing stop/start tech, which every V8 in full sizes does in addition to cylinder deactivation. Frontier also has stop start just for those keeping score.

Voting with your dollar is the only way to be counted so again just don’t buy one.

 

Toyota hasn’t had a simple V6 since the 1GR-FE. Putting a turbo on an engine doesn’t magically make it more complicated. An inline four is a less complex engine than a V6 to begin with and a turbo doesn’t change that.

 

I would like to buy a 2024 just to have the last year of an era. However, at a minimum, the Off-road Premium with moon roof is at least 46k before TTL.

My 2016 is near mint with 57k miles so it’s ridiculous to sell it. I said when I bought it that I’d never sell it.

 

New American V8 trucks don't have start stop. Stop making things up to try and prove your weak points.

lol Carbon credits just make the manufacture richer. How's that working for Toyota since they are having trouble selling their 4th gens lol. Let's not forget the massive Recall they have to deal with on Tundra's.

Sounds like you are in denial about overpaying for a mediocre product and getting mad about it.

Again, There is a reason these new Tacomas are not selling..

 

Adding forced induction 100% makes and engine more complication lol.

 

Care to elaborate? I've built a lot of turbocharged engines and they aren't complicated. Even factory engines with some fancier electronic boost/wastegate controls aren't anymore complex than a V6 with variable cams, intake tracts, injection cycles and variable combustion cycles.

 

Ford has auto stop start
Rams have auto stop start plus MDS (also etorque 48v)
GMs 5.3 and 6.2 have auto stop start plus AFM/DFM

The only one I’m unsure about is the Titan which is irrelevant considering it’s discontinued from here.

Making the auto manufacturer richer is exactly what Toyota and every auto company is in the game for.

My local Toyota dealer moved thirty units between may 22-June 1st, mostly because they didn’t have them before to sell.

Frontiers are beyond abundant here with 56 on my dealers lots despite being the smallest mainstream brand in town.

 

After reading about 4Runner, V8 trucks, and Tundra v6tt issues, and built in Japan.

What is Toyota going to do if they expand at their San Antonio campus? Build more Tundras to replace the recalled ones?

 

Wow, that's an emotional rant. Abysmal rating, really?
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/nissan/frontier-crew-cab-pickup/2022

The only thing close to correct in your rant is that the 3.8 is DI. But, it's not a "sludge factory" instead what you probably meant to say is "it may experience carbon buildup on the valves".

The rest of your story is unbelievable. I know Nissan is a few notches below Toyota, but I've never heard of those issues on the frontier that you claim your brother had.

 

If you’ve never heard of it then it can’t be real right?

Forgot to mention he had a parking prawl recall as well that required him use the parking break so the vehicle wouldn’t roll away. Unsure of the solution as he traded the truck and took a big loss before getting that handled . Dealership had no idea as to why the idle surge issue was there. Three dealer trips about it and he called it a loss and moved on.

The VQ 3.5 specifically with DI had lots of sludge issues do the googling yourself. The 3.8 is just a massaged version of that engine not the old 4.0 , that was solid.

Couldn’t care less what you believe or not they all happened and I witnessed them.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCAK-24V154-2118.pdf

 

But Toyota has all that extra "stuff" plus adding forced induction. To say adding a turbo isn't any more complicated is 1000% false. You are adding extra components that require many extra parts. Plus you are adding another failure point to the engine. Since you are a turbo expert, I am sure you are aware of what happens when the turbo impeller bearings start to go, and you continue to drive the vehicle.

 

Can't really have a discussion with someone about vehicles when they can't properly spell pawl or brakes.

I've been around Nissan for decades. Their cvt products suck and have tarnished their reputation.
The VQ35 has never been a "sludge factory"

Speaking of "can't be real, right?" That's about what happens when I tell Toyota enthusiasts that our 2020 Corolla HB had an electronic water pump failure at 18k miles, stranding my wife. The responses on Toyota Nation are mostly like:
"There's no such thing as an electronic water pump"
"That incident doesn't represent Toyota as a whole"
"That's a feature"!

We own a 2007 and 2021 Titan, a 2003 Acura TL and a 2020 Toyota Corolla.
Corolla only has 20k, Acura has 301k, the Titans are in the middle. I've also owned nearly every version of VQ from 30 to 37, all more than 5 years each, 300k on my VQ35 Maxima.

Least reliable vehicle we own so far? The Toyota. Although, I'm not saying it's horrible, but the only time I've ever seen a CEL on my old Titan is when someone stole the gas cap. Or the Acura, when I overzealously pressure washed the engine and got the connectors waterlogged.

So, I find it hard to believe your hyperbole about how bad Nissan is.

 

Nah, sounds like you are mad you got the last year of an inferior generation. Calling it mediocre is wild when you ain’t got one and everything about the 4th gen feels and drives better. I haven’t seen anyone mentioned it but even the braking is just so much smoother compared to the 3rd gen.

Only thing the 3rd gen has going for it is that it doesn’t sound like a 4cylinder when u get on it.

 

And is proven. I love how anyone who bought a new 4th gen feels the need to defend their purchase and trash a proven platform unlike their current new one. Of course it has updates and improvements, as it should. But just cause it has some things going for it doesn’t make it a superior product other than what you mentioned and it certainly hasn’t proven itself as a reliable Toyota yet. Jump on the facebook groups and other page seeing active shutter issues, cracked evaporators and no ac, bad paint, people noticing transmission issues and poor gaps and basic QC. But let’s not kid ourselves we are only 6 months into owners having them to go saying how much better it is.