Will Tacoma's suffer the same engine failure fate as the Tundra?

I'm not sure about the engine lasting but I give low odds on the turbo staying intact. Don't like them. They've had issues before with turbos. They require the oil to be changed more often and they are trouble prone if you don't change the oil on a more than regular basis. I'm glad I'm still running with my 2016 and it's looking pretty good to me at the moment based on what I'm seeing now. No turbos for me. I'd buy a used 3rd gen over a 4th gen, but that's me. With that being said, Toyota will eventually get their act together on their issues with both the Tacoma and the Tundra. I can't see them getting rid of the turbo stuff though. I'd wait about a decade to buy one...lol. Should be ok by then.

 

Not the engines yet, but the transmissions are having issues failing. Manuals not able to shift into 2nd, 4th, or 6th gear. Automatics are overheating.
Dealer keeps sending me offers to buy my 2020 TRD off-road and order a new one...... I think I'll wait until the dust settles.

 

How can his truck not be part of the recall? When it was all tundras … ? Or is that the hybrid engine that isn’t part of it yet ?

 

Yep he’s got a hybrid but the dealer doesn’t even want his trade on a Sierra. Hybrids and 2024s having same issues in the groups only a matter of time.

 

As a former 4th gen owner do yourself a favor and do not buy a 4th gen. I had issues with the key not detected and also had issues with 4 hi / lo engaging and it also refused to disengage once in 4 hi / lo. Dealer was able to replicate the issues finally after the second time I took it in. I saw the writing on the wall and traded my 24 SR5 4x4. I ended up picking up a lightly used 23 offroad premium / advanced tech for 40.9k (2850 miles). Traded the 24 SR5 for 40k (2400 miles).

 

One theory I have heard is if the engine fails on a hybrid, the electric motor will kick in to help you control the truck making it less dangerous than engine failure of a non-hybrid.

 

I am considering cutting my losses too.

How much are you out of pocket?

 

what specifically are you unhappy with?

 

Lost about 3500, but I did drive it for two months 2400 miles. The truck I bought according to Black book should have been 44.5k, dealer somehow could not move it in 90 days and dropped the price over time until I picked it up at 40.9k. I would consider it a wash in my case.

 

The Tundra's core advantage over the F-150, Silverado and Ram 1500 has always been reliability and durability, so I feel like the longer this goes on and Toyota stays in the shadows on the scale and scope of the problem, the more they're jeopardizing the future of the Tundra name.

Tundra owners were weary of the TTV6 to begin with and the rash of early turbo wastegate problems, then build quality issues, electronics failures, and now the engines failing and needing full replacement? I think anyone buying a first year model of anything should be prepared to be a guinea pig, but we're now into year 3 and the problems just seem to be getting worse... on a truck that has always represented superior reliability and durability.

The bigger issue IMO is that these issues have been going on since the beginning and nobody is buying the metal shavings excuse - not buyers, not dealers who control and set trade-in values. So how does this get fixed? Realistically Toyota is going to have to expand the recall and include hybrids and 2024 models, and potentially Lexus GX 550s as well. They'll probably open an extended service program for problem vehicles with the V35A to try to make people happy without causing more bad publicity, but what does that do for truck shoppers who have lost faith in the Tundra? If there's no public explanation of the problem, solution, and proof that it worked, then why would anyone go buy a Tundra? I've only bought Toyota products my entire life and promise you I wouldn't.

The only thing I can see working is a revised engine design and Toyota touting it as a new or improved engine. They could do that without having to directly acknowledge design flaws in the V35A, and focusing on the "new and improved" engine... but I'm just not sure where that leaves buyer perception of the Tundra in the future. I've seen some folks stating, "Oh, you'll get a new engine, stop bitching." My questions are: What happens to your service schedule when you have a newish truck that's got 25k miles on the transmission, diffs, and everything else, and 7k miles on the engine? Second, what does that mean for resale? Clearly none of it is good.

 

Anyone that buys a $85,000+ GX 550 is gambling with a lot of money.

 

That was exactly my plan, until i drove them back to back. 21 trd or 36k miles had some vibration in the chassis between 65 and 70 mph and felt pretty gutless. I really had to put my foot in it to pass on the freeway.

The 24 felt strong in town and on the freeway. Not issues passing, no noise, vibration, harshness. Smooth shifting. I kept having to watch my speed and brake often because it was easily cruising past 70 with no effort.

Yes, there are going to be teething issues for some, but like the tundra engine recall which is affecting 1% or less of people with actual failures, I saw some TY sky is falling video and they pointed out 5 transmission failures. No idea how that’s news. I do understand there’s an issue with the manual, but there’s no real evidence of a significant enough of an issue with the auto to be concerned about.

 

3rd gen thought "gutless" is a proven 200-300k mile platform no issue. 24 sure feels good but verdict is still out. Jump on FB group and 4G tacoma website there are documented auto failures, 2 guys are, 1 lemoned his after no replacement parts for over 30 days and he was out his new truck. So far the AGS issue and a lot of cracked A/C evaps are the common issue. Good luck with yours.

 

I totally agree with you however, with over 60k sold 2 guys with any failure isn’t even within a margin of error in the statistics. I’m not concerned at all.

Estherdahl just dropped a video on this a few minutes ago. His thoughts and conclusions are very reasonable.

https://youtu.be/pypKT0ZFyqw

 

Perfectly said.

 

It’s really way too early to tell … unlikely that catastrophic shit will happen in the first 2 months … 4th gen only sold in volume April and May. They make up 35k of the 55k units sold. 6-12 months in from now would be more interesting ….

 

Agreed with all. Don’t forget that the Tundra used to provide the highest VALUE as well as it was priced below the big 3 when it comes to msrp. Same goes with Tacoma. That has since been lost as well, as the trd pro products are impossible to get and priced above competition

 

Maybe, isn’t the reason this is on anyone’s radar is the 5 or so reports of it happening very early? Like less than 5k?

 

I think you nailed it.

 

https://www.autoweek.com/rankings/g45266093/most-reliable-pickup-trucks/

JD & CR have been giving the Tundra low scores since the GAF Tundra launched. On paper it does less and costs more. What it had was Toyota QDR and the torque from the hybrid motor.