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Bare steel paint prep

Discussion in 'General Tacoma Talk' started by GilbertOz, Jun 21, 2024.

  1. Jun 23, 2024 at 8:20 PM
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    Sand_In_My_Taco

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    The HF sprayer works pretty well once you dial it in.

    I used it to paint a car. Came out great.


    Seeing this project is making me a little jelly of your prep.....
     
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    So what process do you plan to use for the yearly touchups on scars? :popcorn:
     
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  3. Jun 23, 2024 at 8:27 PM
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    Clean it well with rubbing alcohol, let it dry, rattle can it, call it good.
     
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    I have a pair of cali sliders bare steel sitting in a garage since Dec 2023
    I plan on just tying some wire and lifting them up with a forklift and using self etching primer and then bunch of coats of rust-oleum
     
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    eastwood offers some 2k rattle can products as well... for smaller projects, it's much more worthwhile than breaking out the compressor, hose, gun, and cleaning supplies.
     
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    Yes, I looked carefully at Eastmans and some other higher-end paints in cans, just couldn't find any with verifiable high long-term rust resistance. Was really impressed with the salt-water torture testing done in the long video I linked to earlier.
     
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  7. Jun 23, 2024 at 8:36 PM
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    Might work out fine. If you have a place you can safely spray 31% hydrochloric (aka muriatic) acid, and an acid-rated sprayer to use, it works wonders. Fast, low-effort, nearly complete clean. (Not quite as good as electrochemical methods or media blasting.)

    Best in warm or hot weather. I bet it's much slower in temps below ~50ºF.
     
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    yeah, i had watched that video a few months ago. i can't stand the presenter, but i also can't argue with his testing methods or results.
     
  9. Jun 26, 2024 at 2:59 PM
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    The magic of Amazon Prime delivered me a cheap HVLP sprayer (about $60ish.) Never used one before so I put half a quart of rubbing alcohol in it to figure out spray patterns vs. air flow, and what my little 2 gallon 1HP air compressor is capable of. (Rubbing alcohol, not water, because alcohol evaporates quickly & completely; didn't want even the tiniest trace of moisture in the HVLP gun which could cause local gunking/thickening of the metal primer I'm using, which cures not by air-drying/evaporation, but through polymerization promoted by water vapor/humidity.)


    HVLP sprayer is definitely the correct tool for this job. The essentially 100% stainless/metal seals & channels inside the simple HVLP mechanism can be thoroughly cleaned with acetone pretty easily. R.I.P my poor $400 airless sprayer from 2 days ago. :redxfall:


    Some equipment, along with the obligatory pile of dirty crap that painting usually seems to require:

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    Here's the final-final after 2 to 2.5 coats of primer. Basically this primer is about 30% aluminum powder (Al) by volume in (I believe?) a urethane-type substrate, probably with some other magic ingredients to help the aluminum powder bond & flow well onto steel. The Al is lower in the galvanic corrosion hierarchy than steel, so it will corrode first & preferentially, sacrificing itself (for a time) to protect the steel.

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    I had some issues with the 40-micron filter basket in the HVLP sprayer not allowing adequate flow, so I thinned the primer a bunch -- too much -- and it still didn't spray hardly at all. Ended up removing the 40-micron filter entirely, but I had already over-thinned & couldnt go back. Resulting finish is probably not as smooth as it could be, i.e. when the excess thinner evaporates it leaves (microscopically-speaking) too-large gaps between the solids in the coating, resulting in a rough surface. But this was a second coat anyway so I didn't sweat it too much.

    Made sure to coat every square millimeter of surface, using a foam brush to get into the weld joints that are inaccessible to spray:

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    Also completely flood-coated to full depth the inside of the single open tube in these sliders (no other openings) then let the excess drip out vertically into a catch container:

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    Letting it all cure overnight & plan to do the first coat (of 2) of the 2-part epoxy black matte finish coat tomorrow.

    Learned a lot on this project. I've done plenty of 1-step rattle-canning on steel in the past. This is my first time ever prepping bare steel down to base using acid, using metal-specific primer & an epoxy finish coat, using an HVLP sprayer, etc.

    Without a proper spray booth & wire-suspension system this job is taking excessive time, i.e. have to spray, wait 6 hours, flip the parts over on their resting stands, then spray again, for basically twice the work per coat in a 2-coat primer / 2-finish coat process. I have a lot more respect for what a proper paint shop can accomplish with their dedicated painting spaces & equipment. I don't think I've saved any money over just sending this to a paint shop for maybe a $400 fee or so, but I value the learning and also the certainty that I've covered 100% of the surfaces.
     
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  10. Jun 29, 2024 at 5:13 PM
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    Alright, it's finished. Rather than add to this thread here, I re-organized the whole process into a more coherent write-up over at this new thread. A couple photos of the finished parts are at the bottom of that post.

    TL;DR it appears to have come out pretty good. Certainly good enough considering my skills & doing the work in an open back yard w/ dust, bugs etc. occasionally filtering down out of the trees.

    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/one-way-to-paint-a-steel-bumper-diy-notes-pics.836279/

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