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Long Travel BS Thread

Discussion in 'Long Travel Suspension' started by amaes, Aug 20, 2010.

  1. Jun 24, 2024 at 7:34 AM
    Airdog

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    My coilover is valved to 10/10. Now be prepared to get 1000 opinions on what you should do.
     
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    We're doing a 10/10 on my coil/overs too, but something a bit different on the rebound side
     
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    Yeah I can’t remember exactly what mine were but they were for a Chevy LT kit and Kevin said just leave them as they were about where he would start anyway.
     
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    Personally, I added valving to my coil over after 2 years of it being a coil carrier. It 100% made a difference for the better in how the truck behaves and handles. It will also take heat away from the bypass if you are running it hard. Which will obviously reduce fade and increase longevity.
     
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    Pyramid orientation?
     
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    Nope. Any big shock tuner will tell you not to remove valving from the coil over. But for some reason that’s been the accepted practice. 10/10 12/12 is doing basically nothing for dampening nor is it assisting the bypass in any way. I run my bleeds wide open with a 15/12 configuration and my “bypass” becomes my fine tuning tool.

    With no real valving in the coil over your bypass is your main tuning tool and it becomes the only source of dampening.
     
  7. Jun 24, 2024 at 8:33 AM
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    I'm just a humble moron that tunes his own shocks because he's cheap... but what you're saying makes a lot more sense than taking a fully capable shock absorber (the coilover) and removing its valving. What would be the purpose of that, why have a secondary shock at all. It can't be just because the coilover can't be a bypass since IBP exists now. Dividing the load makes much more sense from heat dissipation standpoint and from a fine tuning POV too.
     
  8. Jun 24, 2024 at 9:00 AM
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    The reality is most don’t play around. I’d bet more than half of the guys in here are running around on valving as it came out of the box and calling it good enough. When the reality is they could have something 10x better.

    I went from being required to air down to avoid my teeth getting chattered out of my face on choppy stuff to complete compliance over everything aired up by simply playing with CO tuning in conjunction with my bypass.

    Certainly makes me feel better about what was spent originally on “coil carriers” as well.
     
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    Are you messing with the bypass shims as well?
     
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    Not to be a dick…but here I go anyways.
    Who are the big guys you are talking about??? Got anything in writing on what you should do from those “big guys?”
    I’ve yet to see anything that really shows off the tuning of your shocks.
    Got any videos going thru any kind of high speed whoop section so we can see how your truck handles them?? Nothing crazy just maybe a 100 yard section of 1 to 2 foot whoops at speed?? Or is all we get is your truck going over a bump in the road and you calling it good even when the full speed didn’t look much faster than the slow motion?
    I’m totally ok with what you want to do and how you go about it. But show just a bit of humility and acknowledge there are other ways to do this and get the same results.
    My tuning just happens to be what King themselves suggested. Or am I mistaken that they are not a big dog?? They also said that I may have to go to 20/12 stack instead of the 18/12 I have currently in my front bypass. Never once did they suggest touching my coil over.
     
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    Absolutely! My main concern with the bypass is making it the source of fine tuning with a functional bump zone that isn’t like hitting a wall.

    The surface area of 2 2.5 pistons is greater than a single 3.5. If you can see where I’m going with this.
     
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    Don’t worry, you’ll see more of my truck. I unfortunately don’t have a production crew to film me like you guys out west seem to.

    Also, did you know there are some places you can call for tuning consults? Early on when I started tuning shocks, this is what I used to do. You can do your own research on that.

    And using kings recommended valving as a base of it being good is a joke. It’s a BASE tune. It gets you at minimum in the playing field. But even their OE replacement shocks are a mile off from actually being good. Any of the guys out there that sell and tune these shocks will tell you this

    You drive your truck hard. I’ll give you that. But every video I see of yours, I see a truck that is trying to launch bump stops to the moon. Definitely not a “dialed” in truck by any means.
     
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    BRB, I need a refresh on my Popcorn....Perfect timing as I am about to do or have more tuning done on my bypasses...
     
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    I opened up Pandora's Triple Bypass and now we get to see it unfold.
     
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    Nah, I’m honestly done arguing with the guys that have never put the time into learning how to dial these trucks in. I feel wholeheartedly like I’m arguing with a toddler.

    Put some time in learning. You’ll enjoy your experience a whole lot more.
     
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    Well I have run with Tom in the desert and his truck always seems to work very well over most the terrain we drive over at speed. Tom also has built the majority of his truck including shock tuning. He is also surrounded by a huge knowledge base out here in SoCal.
    I say this with all due respect.
     
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    Never claimed to be dialed. I’ll be the first one to tell you that it’s only good enough for now, but I’ll get around to fine tuning soon enough. Especially since the cage really changed things. Actually pretty happy I didnt spend the time fine tuning them since the cage made it a whole different beast with how the suspension feels.
    But I do have actual video of my truck doing its thing for the whole world to critique. And the film crew usually is another dude in his truck videoing. It really doesn’t take much.
    Toddler out……
     
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    Let me explain why I don’t have video at the very least. We have trees. Lots and lots of trees. It’s quite damn hard to shoot video and not inadvertently kill said person shooting video on our narrow ass trails.

    Peace.
     
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