Long Travel BS Thread

Yeah, he’s going to out-tune my skill level in about a minute I imagine. But that’s okay. At least he’s local for me! Haha

 

1. That’s nowhere near 1:1 once the distance from axle is factored.

2. Proper Geometry makes this statement not fully true. Though I have not measured mine to know for 100% certainty, it travels extremely true. So provided the link geometry is proper, it would be fine.

3. I have a hard time justifying links in a compact chassis. Especially when you will NEVER have a front end that balances out. 30k for links would build me a proper full size chassis, plus some.

4. Leaf springs put in work. But nobody wants to put the work in to make that happen. So the way out is links. Then people don’t even put the work in to make them work as they should.

 

“Grocery getter” or not. I’ll bet it puts in more work than the majority of linked Tacomas. Dude clearly knows what he’s doing. Yet everyone else wants to say it’s wrong.

 

1. Just look at that shock it is nearly vertical how can you say that is “ nowhere near “ 1:1. It doesn’t matter that it is 8” in front of the axle, that shock is way more vertical than angled. It doesn't matter if the shock is attached to the axle, tabbed off the axle, on the spring plate or on a trac bar like that - the 1:1 issue is all about the angle of the dangle & relationship to axle. Obviously the shock being in front of the axle helps because that shorter radius at that point yields a bit more at the axle 8" away but it's nothing like mine for example where a 12" shock yields 20"...and yes I understand the tuning issues it's all trade offs.


2. Re read my statement you’re arguing just to argue. You know where I got that from ? Deaver…while trying to warranty my second leaf pack…when i had a trac bar. Leafs flex and wobble etc and your axle rolls through travel whereas the trac bar does not unless the front pivot of the trac bar has a shackle. They cut me off on any more warranties with that set up.

3. Sorry but from someone that does have as much knowledge as you that is a really short sighted statement and I'll argue it with you every time you say it. First, the purpose of links is not just to achieve high travel #'s I think your experience being primarily race / drag cars has you looking at the balance issue incorrectly. It is important to remember that having more travel in the back is not a bad thing even TT's have more travel in the back. More travel in the back means more tire contact with ground = mo' speed & control, later & earlier tire contact with the ground when going Dukes of Hazard and your shocks working for you that much more. Links give you a solid fixed path of travel, adjustable pinion angle, far easier to adjust ride height, far easier to adjust spring rate, IMO far easier to tune, no axle roll & none of the lateral flex that a huge sloppy SUA pack has. A LT SUA pack has more lateral movement than a 3 link with a pan hard. Second, links don't cost $30k that's just you being Mr. elitest, perfect world unlimited budget guy there's only one way to do it again. There are a ton of people running DIY link set ups out here mobbing far harder than anything we've seen on any of your videos. I diy'd my 3 link for 3k + shocks and that included me going full retard with powder coat on everything including the bed cage. You could easily build a tube style link / short course set up for $1k in metal, 8 heims $600, 8 pairs misalignmnet spacers $200, misc grade 8 hardware $100 so all in under $2k + coil overs... vs. DMZ spring under kit is $1800 + shocks. Even if you went 4 link you could put in a $200 drag cell ( obviously not safe ) or a $1k nice Jeep Speed cell + plumbing $500 and you're still at $3k + coilovers. You do not have to back half and go full retard to link a truck period.end.of.story.

4. That's just comes across as a cocky bullsh*t statement bro, your coming across like you think you are a 1% 'er that knows more & builds better than anyone else. Sure there are plenty of people that just bolt on a SUA kit and call it good and probably never tune their shocks and let's face it TW is largely the bolt on crowd but there a thousand other guys out here with well tuned trucks and a hundred talented home DIY'ers that don't waste their time on a forum. I could walk outside my job site and I'd be hard pressed to throw a rock and not hit another pre runner, my sprinkler tech has a caged linked F100 100% DIY garage built chassis. Like anything else leaves have issues, you're so quick to always point out what top echelon vehicles use but quick to ignore that all TT's ...use links and your saying links are a way out ? That's like saying torsion bars are good but people use coilover conversions as a way out when it is clearly a superior set up ?

5. Your statement the other day about not wanting to prove your stuff works well...that's the most arrogant thing you have ever typed on your keyboard in this forum. You're a business owner and one that constantly critiques every other company but the day you have to prove your stuff works will be a problem for you ...? You have literally spent half your time here talking shit about other companies products ( primarily JD ) but when @Airdog asks you to put yo' money where yo' sound hole is you come back with that ? and an IG video from the interior of your truck that shows about as much as a girl dressed for church...duct tape your iphone to a tree and go hit some bumps at 60 so we can all see your zero bump steer and tuning. I'll be the first one to tell you it looks good ...if it does


** I want to clarify for everyone that I am not saying that there is anything wrong with Fabien's truck, his tube work looks really clean & the panels in the bed are tits for a garage build... I'm just saying he built links but left the leaves on and I mean that in a funny way & the fact that it is just his grocery getter DD truck is so rad...jealous of anyone that has the time, $ and talent to play around like that

 

I’m not going to sit and argue with someone that can’t comprehend what a shock location on an arm does. Especially when said person claims to know so much about links. It’s LITERALLY the same principle.

I would be 100% shocked if that setup uses any more than 12” of travel to likely achieve 18 maybe even more.

Maybe @Happysmiley will just confirm and make this easy.

And honestly, coming from a guy that has likely never fabbed anything from a blank slate, you’re coming off as the arrogant one. BTW, if you have. Let’s see it.

 

I don't have a dog in the race I'm just here to be a dickhead but y'all talk a lot of shit and none of y'all post anything.

 

I sure have posted a ton of what I build. Also had some vids up on IG just a couple of days ago in some nice whoops.

I’ll back my shit up every day by actually doing it.

 

Shot in the dark, but would this tube layout work with a 3.5" kit? I don't know how else to word it lol

 

Gonna depend on your bypass mount and how close it puts that to your UCA or other components.
Also gonna depend on how big your clearance from the wheel/tire is.

the short of it is to say: hard to tell you without mocking up on your vehicle

 

More than likely no. Most 3.0 triple setups for these trucks have all 3 bypass tubes on one side with the resi fitting facing near straight outboard. All of which is due to UCA clearance.

But you should be able to find a tube layout diagram from wicked to confirm this.

 

Yeah you got me I have no comprehension of how any of that works, I mean I didn't even touch on the orientation of the shock or the distance to the axle or any of that stuff at all in my reply to you. I definitely don't understand how you can get 20" of travel out of a 12" shock...I mean that's impossible...oh wait that's my truck huh

Yeah, you got me...I haven't been wrenching on cars with my Dad since I was 12, ( quick math check...carry the 1..I'm old as fk so yeah that's 41 years ago ) all the Jag XKE's we built were just a dream, the garage built 67' Camaro was just a delusion, the 85',88',91' & 93' Toy 4x's were definitely never built, the 85', 89' & 91' Toy lowriders were def never c'd ,z'd ,body dropped, coil over converted or back halved & 4 linked at a shop space we rented for about a decade, the 85' & 88" T4R's were a complete figment of my imagination too shit I need serious mental help

Heck with my current truck I def didn't give my truck to a guy that turned out to be let's just say not too good of a business man and end up spending 6 weeks every day after work & weekends doing a lot of it myself.

never bent a tube before :



definitely never designed anything or spent hours tweaking a link calculator :



never built a jig to never build my own links so they didn't turn into a bananas :



definitely didn't design a shock tower to perfectly flush under the bed :


never welded too many feet of frame box plates and an X member :



Definitely don't own my own mig/tig machine, prob didn't do those bump perches / cans & exhaust in the garage of my townhome ...those 3 HOA fines for fab'ing at home were just a bad dream too. I really have no mechanical aptitude at all...it's depressing how useless I am I hope your happy for making me feel this way

Car audio work is totally out of my wheel house too :



Oh my gosh the more I think about this I am just totally useless I have completely never fab'd anything before, those fenders, bedsides and dash for Harry were clearly just bought from Summit Racing too :

( btw that dash design was 100% not my idea he very purposely wanted it to not look modern or like a typical Fiberwerx dash etc...I wanted to give it much more shape )









But hey...you just keep dodging all those other points and telling us how perfect your set up is. Those slow mo vids of your truck getting daylight under the tires ( if your IG pause game is on point there is clearly at least an inch of daylight under your front tires ) and the interior views of those whoops sure are convincing. Come to think of it for someone that doesn't need to prove anything why are you posting on IG daily and saying stuff like this ?






Cory, I respect the shit out of your fab skills but you just come across so arrogant a lot of the time. I received multiple DM's thanking me for giving you so much shit and just look how many people liked my reply to you vs your posts to me with zero likes...sometimes you gotta' grip the mirror and be introspective bro if people are repeatedly telling this type of shit. My momma always said - It's not what you say - it's how you say it.

BTW -thx for entertaining me while I am stuck at my job site waiting for an inspector that was 2 hours late

 

KDM fab dropped a Tacoma update today
Solo front kit
Jd fab parts and such
Camburg bedcage

interesting build
Not sure if it’s someone here or not

 

I’m not going to keep going back and forth with you.

We’re all allowed to have our own opinion and way of doing things. Much of what I say carries over from many other applications. Many of the techniques and ideology carries over from one application to another when it comes to building, tuning etc.

It’s completely fine if you don’t like the way I come off. It’s the internet. I know people read what I say as arrogant or cocky or whatever other term you would like to use. It’s quite hard to judge one’s character or knowledge from a keyboard. I simply come off harsh at times, I don’t really know how to make everybody happy with what I say. So I simply try not to focus on it.

Simply put, if nobody here buys a single thing from me or ever comes to me that’s fine. I’ve proven myself well enough to be backed up with large builds for probably the next 2 years. All people that have seen and possibly even experienced a build I have been part of. Honestly that’s all I care about.

At the end of the day there’s 500 ways to skin the same cat. My way tends to be non traditional. It tends to be outside of the box. Much of it for my own reasoning. That’s not going to change.

Don’t want to believe my shit works? Fine. I really honestly don’t care. That’s why I’m not out trying to shoot film every day I have my truck on the dirt. We prefer the smiles it gives us while we are in it covering ground.

Many builders out there don’t post videos etc to prove they can do something. It comes from the customers that have had the experience of the results from the work.

Hope everyone has a great day!

 

Hmmmmm

 

It was an insurance claim - idk if it was a camburg sua as well as the bed cage but hopefully it wasn’t otherwise that guy made a poor choice. Rest of the truck is awesome.

 

And? lol. I made a huge spring change in the front and threw a ton of valving in my coil over. I wanted to make sure it was working as it should and considering that’s my FB, I have lots of locals/family that enjoy following the updates.

Mighty interesting criticism coming from a guy that was in my inbox regularly regarding your same displeasure with the JD SUA as I had.

 

too soon ?

 

Nothing to add, I think my point was made in the quote.
Take a video....

Not going to take videos....

But takes videos and suggests its a good thing....

Please,

Ignore me I don't know how to build stuff...Im old....

I just have the money to have stuff built...