Truck King's 4th Gen TRD Off Road 6MT: It's Broken... :-(

I have always let the shifter bounce back to the middle and just push straight up or straight down for 3rd or 4th. I never directed the shifter into those gears.

 

That's a bit slow for shifts, and a bit crazy ha. I've never heard of this and think it would provide less control. 2nd to 3rd is an easy upwards shift with slight pressure to the right. It knows where to go, no reason for what you are going through.

 

I should’ve probably clarified, I use my palm to push the shifter up, but let the shifter settle back to the center by itself. And use my fingers to push straight down (with my thumb pointed downwards) for 3-4. My 2-3, 3-4, 5-4 shifts never took more than a split second.

What I never did was specifically direct the shifter, and try to position where I thought 3 and 4 were.

My method actually worked great at the drag strip.

 

The reason he was able to get into 1st is because of auto rev match.

 

I totally agree. I thought the whole argument for Toyota was that they were overbuilt. Exceeding specs by 1.7% and failing catastrophically would not be the definition of "Overbuilt" (or dependable) in my mind. So disappointed.

Fixing it with "Software" just means they are going to make less torque through the computer so it does not break. How about giving us a transmission that can handle the torque and then some more....

Also, as per the "Truck Kings" video, the whole reason that the manual has 8 less HP and less torque is cause the trans could not handle the power. So that one is right at its limits also but we already know that considering all the manuals need to be replaced.

WTH happened to Toyota?

 

1.7%? I think you're referring to the front end that failed when the ADD broke, not the transmission that was probably jammed into first from fifth?

 

correct. The exceeding by 1.7% was the TFl truck.

But as per the other video, the engine in the MT puts out 8 Hp less cause the trans could not take the power.

 

In the introduction video's of the 4th Gen the Engineer said the 8 HP reduction was due to some kind of crank vibration or something similar.

 

I believe it was in the Truck Kings video but I may have seen/read it somewhere else. But at the end of the day it came down to the fact that the trans could not handle all of that Torque. I think someone did mention that it would be under more extreme conditions (like someone dropping the clutch) but still, my impression of Toyota was always that they were overbuilt for what they were and pretty much bulletproof (within reason). Now it makes me wonder if my 3rd Gen is less overbuilt also or if this is something new with the 4th gen. Think about all the extra weight people put on their 3rd gens. If they weren't overbuilt to a degree would they have lasted? I guess time will tell with the 4th gen also. Maybe I am overthinking this and all Toyota's are built this close to their theoretical thresholds. IDK

 

The transmissions are fine. They have been behind diesels for many years that make similar torque to the new turbo gas engine. The ADD may or may not be overbuilt for what it’s supposed to do, but that isn’t the transmission. The only manual transmission problems are the 2/4/6 issue and then this video where dad may or may not have broke it.

 

I have my doubts that iMT would assume you wanted to shift into 1st...? I think it works like this: You are costing and put the clutch in, it will rev up to the RPM needed to hit the new lowest gear for the given speed you are coasting at. aka rev match downshift.

I think this video is shit. Why would they believe an iMT would revmatch a 5-3 downshift? And then slam the shifter, so they don't even have time to demonstrate the rev match? If they wanted to demonstrate it, wouldn't you do a normal downshift? At a normal speed? How could the truck possibly know you wanted to hit 3rd, (or 1st as you say) from 5th? It would be above redline anyway... They were trying to destroy that clutch.

 

Its because youtubers just want views. Toyota says "want to demo the manual" and the content creators are falling over themselves to have more videos to post. The thing Toyota presumably never does is make sure these people even know what they are doing. Go watch the manual reviews, even with the rev matching the shifts are atrocious. "Gotta applaud Toyota for keeping the manual, nothing like a manual..." then they proceed to show everyone how terrible they are by lunking gears, overrevving and riding the clutch off the line etc. I feel bad for the truck watching these people drive it.

 

I agree, that’s his fault, not Toyotas and he is ethically dishonest in claiming it’s a product failure. Moreso because he knows that clickbait claim will finically benefit him via clicks. Toyota should sue him for his false claims and stop doing business with him.

 

You tubers. Benhardy makes like 12 puff piece videos a day and then a crying video when a battery dies.

I just wish he would shave and start playing in Star Trek the next generation again.

 

I'm glad Toyota kept the manual around, I get why people like them. I also question why anyone wants a manual on a truck that debuted in 2024? The 4G looks like it will offroad like a1/2 ton at worst, and a Ranger or Colorado at best. The Tacoma is close to all of those.
I wouldn't be surprised if Toyota wasn't behind this video and the TFL video, hey guys lightly destroy our truck for the world to see, and we will stand behind our product 100%. More views for you and more sales for us.

 

I don't choose a manual for off-road, I choose one because I have never once been behind the wheel of a vehicle with an automatic that I truly preferred or even enjoyed. That alone is why I only buy manuals. I bought one automatic and pretty much regretted it from day one, and only bought it because I couldn't find a manual for what I was looking for at the time. I would guess most choosing manuals have similar preferences.

 

Porsche’s pdk double clutch automatic would change your mind. On road at least.

it’s always in the right gear. Period.

 

I like manuals and a 1-2 or 3gen would be a better pairing or a LC 70. I don't think I would want a manual in a current gen vehicle. Even a 2nd gen Tundra with a manual would be terrible for me to drive on a daily basis. The 4G motor is making too much torque for the new manual. I haven't driven it, but the manual and 2.4t don't look like the best match.

 

You know… something that isn’t mentioned here is that’s a brand new truck right? Not worn in the clutch at all. So right off the boat it’s extra grippy before it’s broken in. A clutch that had been gently drive for a few hundred miles would have slipped instead of ripping apart like this video.

I’m not concerned. Because there’s a warranty for the first 3 years, 5 years for the transmission. I’d also be taking it easy for the first couple tanks in my brand new 50k truck too.

 

I’m sure a little pick up making 300 hp is nothing compared to the stress it sees in race cars making 650.