Little Brat Fights Police

I blame video games and Marilyn Manson.

 

That does not make it a fact of life, at least not by my criterion. That said, there have been monotonous and boring jobs since the Neolithic Revolution if not before; I never made such a causal link between the two. What I did discuss was that the school environment among other factors can beget this behaviour on account of its monotonous, boring nature. You then argued that this is reflective of the human experience, and I disputed this.

That said, this is not an issue of what choices we made, this is about how the prison-like schools are needlessly subjecting children to an insane-making environment, which has resulted in ever-increasing numbers being medicated. We are grown men who have a say in our affairs, they do not, therefore I consider the latter a much more serious matter.

 

kid needs a beating from this guy

 

Yup.

 

I'm saying you and I could be considered the exception to the normal person.

It's school not a prison. Because you are subject to authority doesn't mean you are a "prisoner." School was not difficult and the rules were simple. Sit, do your work, go home. 12 years of free education is a gift and its not the administrator's/teachers fault people see it otherwise. The kid acted out in a manner that threatened the safety of others and was dealt with in an appropriate manner. He is not the product of a "prison based education system" designed to mold brainwashed "docile servants of corporate America." He is the product of a household that has insufficent discipline to instill in him what can be deemed appropriate behavior.

 

We rented a section of our county jail to the state youth center while they built a new facility and I asked the correction officers how many of the kids had any parental guidance and their replay, "at best 10%". The biggest problem I saw was none of them had ever been told "no" and guess what I see the same thing in the adult population.

 

A couple of swift kicks in the ass at home might solve his "issues". The scary part is....someday, kids like him will be in charge!! Oh, wait...some already are.

 

If one cannot escape from it, it's for all intents and purposes a prison, and being within such a setting thus renders one a prisoner, regardless of the extraneous matters with which you seek to justify it. I would hardly consider having twelve formative and potentially very fruitful years occupied by humdrum a 'gift'. Most of what I learned I simply taught myself, with the exception of basic literacy which I likely acquired at a preschool.

I did not comment upon household matters, I am not privy to those therefore I cannot comment. We do not know what measures the mother or the father had taken prior to the incident, and you had mentioned in an earlier post psychological issues. Keep in mind that the incident took place at a school for students with social and behavioural issues. Therefore, I could only conjecture as the proximal and distal causes that are known to bring about this kind of behaviour, among which are medication, diet, television, and the school system of which I spoke at length. You brought up the handling of disciplinary matters; that is a potential cause too.

Where you are not cogent is that you are speaking with certainty regrading matters which one cannot be certain of. How do you know that in this specific case, it is one cause and not the other, as opposed to a third that was not mentioned in the article?

 

Your measure of prison is that individuals are subject to rules and there being consequences for breaking those rules? If that's the case we are all prisoners in our daily life. Should we give anarchy a try?

Okay lets be serious here, you have spoken with as much certainty on other subjects that you can not possibly have a complete understanding of (child psychology, medication's pharmakinetcs, the purpose of the school system, etc). I have made judgments in this case based on the facts presented. If new details emerge later on I will happily revisit my judgments in light of new information. Based on the mother's own words I see a lack of accountability in the household.

We can disagree and debate the incalculable potential causes for the child's behavior but the original point of this thread remains the same. The child was appropriately dealt with in this situation.

As will all internet forums, all of this is my opinion and should be taken as such.

 

This kid needs some firm discipline not ridilin! The mother needs psychiatric help. I see this all the time, parents that think that discilpine is harmful to a childs mental health!The fact that appropriate use of discipline at a early age to teach and modify bad behavior before it becomes a difficult problem to correct later on. These kids grow up into a world where they loose the fear of the cosequences of there actions. Sadly our social services and prison system is bursting at the seams because the parents lack of responsibility when they raise these kids. It's sad to see the blame put on teachers and social workers.

If that had been me as a child...oh lord I would have taken one Ass Whooping and I would have lost my freedom to my bedroom for several months.



I think the police were justified for using pepper spray...though I wish they had used a Taser or night stick upside his head.

 

Parents need to calmly take their children and beat the shit out of them.(in a disciplinary way) I do not advocate child abuse but it is occasionally ok to hit your children.

 

No. If you had bothered to read what I said, my measure of a prison is something form which one cannot escape. I already commented on the onerous nature of what goes on in said prison which was extraneous to said definition. I should note that you have unsuccessfully presented a straw man in mischaracterising my definition.

I advocate dealing with people on a voluntary basis i.e. not initiating force, and respecting property rights. As an anrcho-capitalist in the tradition of Block, Rothbard, and Hoppe, I would have to reply 'yes' to your second question.

Fair enough; I do not possess qualifications nor do I claim to.

 

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On NBC this morning the kid even said he deserved it haha got what he deserved but it is kinda sad. if that were my kid his best friend would be a 2" wide strip of leather. He won't learn unless there are consequences

 

There is nothing onerous about school. It is not a prison, period. You should have dropped out if it was so bad (maybe you did).

For someone who hates school so much why do you go to such great lengths to appear educated?

You can reference all the random philosophers, economists, political theorists etc you want (Sorry I didn't Google them). Anyone can use big words and reference abstract works of people unrelated to the subject.

I have little chance of understanding your positions and I have even less interest in trying. I find your arguments and defense's to be incomprehensible and based solely on theoretical BS with no real application to reality, let alone the subject at hand. You seem intent on trying to refute my word choice rather than discuss the meaning behind them.


In true TacomaWorld fashion we have derailed this thread well beyond its original purpose.

 

i wonder why they chose to use pepper spray instead of just restraining him. personally i dont give a shit, the little bastard deserved what he got, i'm just wondering what the cops reasoning was. not wanting to hurt him, or the cuffs not fitting, or were they actually scared of him. where's tigerfan when you need him (prolly being a fatass cop eatin donuts and tasing kids)

 

the kids not dead. he's not even injured or suffering any long term affects. he threatened to kill people and tried to find a sharp weapon, and he found out what that kind of behavior gets you. pepper sprayed in the fucking face. and the fact that he didn't stop after the first spray, shows that he was out of control. kids need to learn lessons. did the article say this is the 3rd time he's had run ins with cops at school? obviously "time out" doesn't work, maybe pepper spray taught him what a chair in a corner couldn't.

 

beat
his
ass

 

Most likely their reasoning was why would I move in to put hands on and handcuff this kid, risking injury via the weapon he has, when I can spray him, incapacitating him to the point where he isn't as much of a threat anymore. Then move in and restrain him. It's just temporary discomfort after you are sprayed.

Age of the subject means nothing, a threat is a threat and needs to be dealt with the safest way possible for the officers.

In a nutshell, why get hit with a stick when I can spray this from a distance?