1st Gen Lunchtable Thread - General Discussion

I’m not going racing, but I looked at a lot of 24 hrs of lemons threads a while ago. The VG30, 4.6 2 valve, and 1UZ are renowned in those circles, along with some odd choices like the Alfa Romeo V6 and Ford Ecotec engines from the old Focuses.

 

Shhhh

 

That's what we're talking about. @Bandido has a 2GR in his first gen

 

I think anything with the 2GR heads has that problem. The base casting is very similar. The only difference is being the direct injection ports and maybe some intake port differences.

 

What causes it in the 3.5 and not the 4.0 though

 

The 1GR was actually designed to be in a truck and has adequate size and placement oil drain back channels. Whereas the 2GR was only ever designed to be in cars/vans... Anything transverse. and then got rework to be put in a truck out of general laziness.

 

Yeah one of the curious things is that the drainage ports are in roughly the same spot with the 1gr too.

 

I’ll never understand why they didn’t just keep the 4.0 in the 3rd gen. The fuel savings must be so marginal to be meaningless.

 

And the single port exhaust.

 

You're not buying either one so...

 

They all have this issue.

4age
5s/3s
1/3mz
3/5vz
2gr
1uz
Idk first hand about 1/2ar tho

 

Does it affect the longitudinal 2GR-FKS in the 3rd gen too?

 

Oh yeah forgot about the big mixer, is yours individuals or the chamber? Makes it hard to do scavenging trickery with that thing

 

Yeah, any 2GR is gonna have the problem but the longitudinal placement seem to make it the worst, the tilt backwards seems to do it

 

That’s what I meant yea

 

None of them have much pan baffling so slosh is a big concern too. The 3VZ-FE and 2/3RZ-FE have windage trays which is nice though.

Emissions of course silly, direct injection allows you to run more timing and less fuel for a specific power output amount. Plus the atkinson bullshit allows it to simulate being a smaller engine at times and also burn less.

 

Yeah thats the situation hes refering to. The 2gr has drains in the same spot as the 1gr, but they are like 3/8" and the 1gr is like 5/8"

 

Ozark calling it transverse had me all fucked up lol