Fun truck for 2 weeks !!!!

The ford raptors are really nice. I just can't bring myself to pay the 10k dealer markups even if they do hold their value well. Same for the Ram TRX, but last I saw dealers wanted 30k markup.

If I were to purchase another full size truck I'd have to go diesel. F250 or GMC Denali. Hanging on to my 3rd gen a while longer though.

 

All I can say is 5he grass isn’t always greener . If you think these other mfg s don’t have issues , you will be disappointed. Anything that has all this tech in it has issues . Also in this economy parts come from everywhere, to build a vehicle , which makes it very hard for companies to keep an eye on quality control. Especially with all this crap that put in cars that you don’t need . Not to mention it’s a big reason why the prices are so high . When does it end ? Maybe the companies want to do this so that we can gat used to paying 75 k for an electric car that no one knows how to fix anymore.

 

My mistake and apologies. All these threads describing failures should be deleted then because that isn't what people want to hear about on forums. I'll wait for Toyota to provide empirical data on the failure rates and for them to post it here like they've done in the past...

 

Why I have been driving Toyotas for nearly 40 years, their legendary drive trains. Have personally run their vehicles into high mileage, one had a half million miles on it. Reading all the failures is concerning. Many people complained that Toyota is always behind the times and unwilling to innovate, guess this is what happens when they do. Whole new platform from scratch will take years to get the bugs out.

Seeing them play the horsepower/torque wars don’t think it is good thing. Long time core owners have been screaming for better fuel economy for decades, we put up with the dismal mpgs because of the reliability. If reliability is gone, then what will stop the faithful loyalists from leaving?

At first like the Tacoma, there were a few grumblings on forums with the Tundra engine, many said it was a fluke, took awhile then Toyota issued a recall for 100K Tundra and Lexus models. It is appearing the Tacoma trans issues are off to the same start.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a61803078/new-toyota-tacoma-transmission-failure-reports/

https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2024/TOYOTA/TACOMA/PU%252FCC/4WD

 

You’re wildly missing the point. Where did I say people shouldn’t post up their stories of Toyota component failures? Of course they should.

Let’s pretend there are 100 threads apiece here on TW for 4th gen engine and tranny failures. The production numbers for 1st year 4th gen are what, 250,000+ for the US market? The point I’m trying to make is that while the examples posted on TW of individual experiences are perfectly valid and disappointing, they’re a terribly small sample size with no proper statistical analysis to demonstrate what they actually mean for the wider population of vehicles. The failure rate might be statistically significant. But who knows without more data? One sign that there’s a significant issue would be, as mentioned, a recall for engines or transmissions. Hasn’t happened yet that I’m aware of, but if it does that’s obviously a legitimate signal that there’s a widespread issue. Stories about individual failures, while concerning and a terrible experience for those owners, are not necessarily representative of a widespread problem from a statistical perspective. They could be, they might be, but without more information it’s speculation.

If we go highlight a bunch of threads where 4th gen owners are reporting no issues and are happy with their trucks, does that mean we can conclude Tacomas have great reliability? It’s the same argument.

 

The first link refers to “dozens” of transmission complaints while the second link documents a total 18 “powertrain” related reports. This is a tiny rate when 18 is the numerator and the denominator is all the 4th gen’s currently on the road. These also have no documented outcome or investigation by Toyota, they’re just complaints. Again, might be something here, but the information you provided doesn’t actually show that currently.

 

Believe he was being sarcastic.

Not enough 4th Gens on the road yet to get enough data, the Tundra engine issues started in 22-23, took until this year for a recall.

We really won’t know if the 4th Gen is truly reliable until they get 200-300K miles on them, then we can look back at the data for failures. With my vehicles it takes a few years and going over the service records to deem if they were good or not.

As of now, like it or not, they aren’t off to a good start.

 

Too early to tell right now, as I said it is looking to fall in line with the Tundra engine failures. Give it time. It is like book keeping, there are early signs to tell if a company is going to fail in the future, if you catch it soon enough you might be able to steer the ship from disaster.

Competition has really stepped up the game, Toyota needs to be perfect. With these early failures, coupled with a jump in price, can envision many leaving the brand, myself included. Buying my wife a new vehicle too, never thought it would happen since I always bought Toyotas without question, but looking at other brands.

Retiring here at the end of the year, buying a travel rig very soon, personally I don’t have the time or want deal with a new model Toyota while they figure their shit out. I have places to go and people to see! Would suck to be on the road finally able to enjoy retirement then having to deal with mechanical issues, then hearing will take months to fix. We buy new vehicles so we don’t have to deal with that. Spent years fixing old shit, don’t want to mess with it anymore.

 

I'm not missing the point, I merely think the point is spurious (which really you demonstrate very well in the post), especially if we have to pretend anything, but more because the data itself is most likely meager due to time and numbers and therefore unreliable itself. It works both ways. I personally would lean toward real world experiences at this point, even anecdotal ones posted on a forum, but that doesn't mean you or anyone else has to.

 

So true. I wouldnt look at a new Tundra at all now.
The V8s were fantastic.

 

The post was 100% sarcastic but was still saying that if I want to lean on large volume data then I’m discounting the anecdotal posts here, which I’m not. Anyone reporting a failure is a perfectly valid piece of data, sample size of 1.

Completely agree with you that there’s not enough information yet.

 

What you’ve just said essentially is that there’s not enough data to draw conclusions yet. I agree. To be clear, I’m not saying that 4th gen Tacoma engines or trannies are reliable. Simply that anecdotal reports on a forum are a skewed data source from which high level conclusions can’t reliably be drawn. Later on when more info is available, it may absolutely support your conclusions.

 

Which is a shame, really like that truck. Nice interior, rides well, plenty of power.

Hearing Toyota finance managers saying they are dying on the road left and right isn’t good.

Friend of mine is a Ford tech, he says overall they are very good, will go 200-300K with very little issue. People like to slam Ford because they aren’t a Toyota, plenty of Fords with high mileage, however their owners aren’t as loud and proud like Toyota loyalists.

He had a ‘11 Ranger in recently that has 500K+ miles on it. Original engine and trans.

 

It screams Chevy!

 

There's a lot more complaints about failed transmissions on the Facebook groups than here. Some are crossposted here, but only a handful are. All are the same story: truck was fine. Without any warning, stuck in 6th gear. Metal in transmission. Waiting on parts. Then about 8 weeks later, "Toyota bought my truck back under lemon law."

 

I'm wondering if that's the route they will take with me. 8 weeks is a long time to have no vehicle. We will see

 

You’re 99.9% likely to qualify for lemon law.

I hope you’re going to contact Toyota tomorrow about your transportation coverage.

 

Back in 90's, Toyota dealership used to have rental department that they give you a rental vehicle from their lot.

They should loan a car, so that way, driver needs a transportation to run errands or go back to the job or something like that. I really hate to sit in the lobby for hours..

 

Loaners are fairly common for repairs that require the dealer to keep your vehicle at least overnight. In my experience my wife or I have gotten one about half the time for warranty stuff.

I’ve never known a dealer to provide one for same day repairs. But sure it’d be nice, nobody likes sitting in that waiting room reading car and driver from five years ago

 

Here’s ejes waiting for Toyota to post empirical data…