Engine seized 1,000 miles after oil change

I believe hearsay is third party witness someone who was not present to the event.so her testimony would not be hearsay.

 

I just had to deal with quickie lube today. Even though I work on internal combustion and electric motor driven machines all day every day, some corporate schmoo thinks we need a fleet management company to care for the company vehicles.

They extracted the oil without removing the drain plug, showed me the dip stick. Rotated tires, put em on with an impact THEN torque wrench, WRONG. Now my TPMS says low pressure. Pressure is correct, 49 front, 71 rear. I called to see if they have the tool to fix it, transfer, transfer, transfer, on hold. They said to look it up on youtube and fix it myself.

 

OP also stated that the truck day in a gated community on camera for that 11 days so a good possibility that she can prove it’s not “hearsay”, and that same footage would probably show no evidence of pooling leakage after the truck was moved. What do I know, I’m just a guy that read all 10 pages of the thread before weighing in

 

FYI, "hearsay" is an out of court statement offered for the truth of the matter asserted. I arrived at the scene of the accident and Joey B. told me he saw the red car run the stop light and hit the green car. Objection, hearsay. Sustained. Counsel unless you have direct eye witness testimony, move on please. The jury is instructed to disregard the witness's statement about what someone told him about the cause of the accident.

 

Hearsay is when you have no proof also,it's subjective.

 

Let's wait and see if she gets a new motor from JL !

 

Shes stirred the pot and now probably M.I.A.

 

A friend of mine had a similar experience, I don’t know the exact details but he had Walmart do an oil change and he left with no oil pan drain plug installed. His motor lasted a couple weeks before failing. Walmart bought him a new motor.

Also, the OP saying her truck sat for 11 days is absolutely not hearsay. It’s direct testimony if she were to state it in court. She saw it with her own eyes. Hearsay is literally what the word is…to testify that you heard someone else say they observed something happen as opposed to observing it yourself. If I say, Bob told me the truck sat for 11 days” THAT’S hearsay. If I say, my truck sat for 11 days, that’s NOT hearsay. The OP is a paralegal and knows this.

 

Fingers crossed we hear the resolution but either way, it won't happen overnight.

In the mean time, story time: I was 17 and my dad and I were sharing his '87 4Runner. It was the mid-90's so it was pretty new and shiny back then and both of us loved that truck from day one. I had just spent the day washing, waxing and detailing it but it also needed an oil change. My old man wasn't a car guy or mechanically inclined so told me to take it to an independent quick lube-style place in town that he always went to. I pulled it in to their bay, handed over the keys and went in to the waiting room to read old magazines and twiddle my thumbs. After a few minutes, and since I was young then and couldn't sit still, I wandered in to the garage. The upper tech was yelling at the bottom tech to pull the drain plug. It turns out after adding oil, starting it and checking the dipstick, the tech had added too much oil. At least he checked the oil level, I guess, but he also put his oily fingerprints all over my freshly detailed hood, fenders, door latch and steering wheel.

It was a small annoyance in the grand scheme of things but it was a memorable turning point in my young life. I vowed that day to learn how to do all of the maintenance on our vehicles myself, starting with doing my first oil change a few months later and basically spilling the entirety of the used oil all over the driveway. But from that day on, I've just had me to blame for the care of our vehicles since it's just been me doing the maintenance on them. There's been a few times along the way where I've needed a quick lube or had a dealer do some warranty work to a vehicle but each time has hardened my resolution to do things myself after discovering some little (or big) mistake that the mechanic had made. I now maintain a fleet of tractors and equipment on our farm in addition to doing all the maintenance on our family and extended family's vehicles (6 cars, 3 motorcycles, and countless bikes). It's been a long, interesting and often frustrating road with lots of little mistakes along the way but there's nothing more satisfying in the shop than a job well done. And I owe it all to (over)Phil McGreasyDigits at the quick lube all those years ago.

 

Wrong unfortunately. But good try.

 

10 pages is too much for me to catch up on but is this possible..? They inserted the hose as seen on camera, but only a fraction went in of what was supposed to. This is why the truck passed whatever pressure test they did and ran fine initially. Due to low oil quantity, perhaps it ran hotter than normal?? I know this is not perfectly sound logic but throwing it out there.. in any case, whether due to hotter than normal conditions or just “regular” oil burn, maybe that one quart of oil burned up and went out the exhaust. 1 quart per 1,000 miles could go undetected.
I had a Subaru forester that burned 1qt per 1,000 miles and you’d never know unless you checked the dipstick.
I don’t know if the same applies to automotive engines, but the lycoming and continental engines in small aircraft can run just fine on comically low amounts of oil. ..so maybe this failure was a combination of more than one issue (added too little oil + minor oil burn issue).

 

Unfortunately judging from the many write ups of JL doing the same exact thing to others i wouldn't bet on it.

 

extracting oil without removing the drain plug is common. Pneumatic extractor.

impact before torque wrench is common. Snug them up with some light blips in a star pattern making sure the lugs are seated. Then do a final torque increase to spec with the wrench.

Tire pressure is door spec cold. +4 psi hot after a mile of driving. Typically. Reset the monitor and drive around so it relearns. Old and some TPMS is a mechanical sensor. Later on many manufacturers did away with that, switched back to rubber valve stems, and use ABS sensor reading tire rotation to read the pressures which takes some driving to re learn.

I know in my truck my TPMS warning is on because using a tool I confirmed most of my sensor batteries are dead and need to be replaced.

 

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OP- hope you get a reimbursement from the company, you’ll probably have to escalate it with their corporate office. I stopped going to JL when they couldn’t properly replace my skid plate and left it hanging on with only 2 loose bolts. They didn’t tell me about it either. It pretty much fell off in my driveway, and I found their oil filter wrench stuck between the plate and the oil pan when I replaced the bolts.

HS dropout dolts work there.

 

I stopped using them when they used to try selling me 4x4 service on my truck..it's a 2WD. The last time the guy asked and I told him it's 2WD so it's not possible. Got home after and looked at the receipt because he was so insistent it needed to be done, he charged me for it anyway. Called the main office and explained, they dug out my history and turns out that same shop hit me a few times prior for it that I missed. Grr..at least the main office sent me a check for the charges.

I've used a Valvoline locally and I've noticed they do the pull/wipe/reinsert the stick after filling and then bring it to me, showing me the oil level for my personal inspection and knowledge.

I did have an oil pan issue last year and it was found by them (I'd started to suspect a small leak but no drips in the driveway), once found they said they would not do the oil change. Respect at least in that regard.

I'm thinking most likely the tech "kicked the keg" so to speak while doing the fill, though IDK how they would have known other than checking the stick..IE does the pump somehow alert them.

 

I think mods need to lock this thread this poor lady will most likely never come back and no one will read the entire thread and keep posting the same speculation over and over

 

Great idea to guarantee we never hear the outcome

 

Yeah agreed. please don’t lock this thread lol

I like to live dangerously and pretend that one day the OP will return with a full explanation of what happened.