Long Travel BS Thread

every bender is a little different, so test/template bends are the easiest way. you start with a straight piece of tube, mark a zero point that can be referred to every time. i use the strap on the bender. mark that point on a straight piece of tube, and then mark your centerline. add notches in 1 inch increments, and then bend to your test angle. i did 45, 90, and 180 degrees. You can extrapolate the proportional amount of material needed for bend angles between these three with good accuracy, so a test bend for every angle is not needed.

The red lines on the right hand sides are the zero point at the edge of the strap, and the left sides where the red is, notes the end of the guide once the bend is completed. so the distance between the two red ends is the minimum amount of tube i need in my specific bender for each angle.

after making all of my marks and notes on the tube, i clear coated them. great little reference tools to have, and you can also hold them up into position to help visualize.



Copied from my build thread this is less about the bend itself, and more about a nice analog design tool....

"I want to say I picked this little trick up from the machine shop in college, but I'm not sure. it was a long time ago.

if you're not building your cage in CAD, or even if you are and need to field fit an angle or help visualizing a bend, using a similar diameter piece of flexible exhaust tubing is great. this stuff is absolutely terrible for exhaust, but a great fabrication tool.

bend the piece of flexible tubing to the desired shape, making sure to maintain roughly the same radius as the die in your bender. then trace the straight sections of the piece. connect the two lines using a straight edge and then put an angle finder on it. if you have a much larger angle finder, you may be able to take a measurement directly from the mock-up tubing, and skip the tracing step.

This random bend turned out to be 81 degrees."

 

Well put, will be referencing this as needed, thanks!

 

Seen this from multiple people as well as myself. Extremely helpful tools to have and easy to make.

 

check youtube as well. some good tutorials on there, and you can likely find your exact bender as well just to simplify the tutorial.

mine is a Woodward Fab. these bends are 6'' radius 1.75'' tube. if you happen to have the exact same bender, you can use my test bends as a rough guide, but even two of the same bender can have slightly different results. 1/8'' difference here and there can compound into a piece of tube that doesn't fit as intended.

 

Air over hydro?

 

Yes sir, with the swag kit. That won't change the bend characteristics though, just the effort to make them.

 

Getting tube work dialed is a time thing. Nothing more. The more bending you do the better you will get. When I first started, I used to draw everything out in chalk on the floor to pull numbers from. I’m now using software to speed up the process.

You will need to find spring back numbers for each material you bend in relation to bend angle etc. Some materials will require a 100*+ bend to accomplish a 90. It is literally all about spending time doing it and learning the hard way making mistakes on usually not so cheap material.

 

I knew I was going to be doing a lot of tube work and wanted to cut out a lot of the learning process, so I got the 911 motorsports tube jig. Made my main tubes for my cage first try as the first bends I did, with a bunch of compound bends. It's crazy useful, not only for visualizing, but also for getting all your numbers from, and you can try different things without much effort to see what works best. They also have a contour end for the jig for those complicated notches at intersections, so you can just build the tube and trace the exact cope onto the tube and cut it. Works amazingly well. Some guys might consider it cheating, but it sure makes it a lot faster and easier with a lot less wasted tube, and personally I'll take all the help I can get cuz I don't have a huge amount of free time.

https://www.911motorsports.net/Tube-Bending-Jig_c_18.html

 

I also use this cheap little tool a ton with my digital angle finder, it's basically essential imo.

https://www.911motorsports.net/Tube-Rotation-Gauge--Magnetic-Mount_p_53.html

And an easy way to find your tube angles is this guy. I use it constantly as well

https://www.911motorsports.net/Protractor--Electronic-Digital-Angle-Gauge_p_1150.html

 

EXACTLY THIS.
Literally my text book couldn’t say it or show it better
I’d add my own pictures but they’d be damn near the same as this

 

Does anyone have 2 king gen 1 2.0x2.0 bump stops for sale??

 

Still looking for one King old style.

 

Anyone know the upper ball joint snap ring size for 3G4R? I threw mine out…plus my calipers don’t fit when they’re already installed



Side note: the 4Runners have a different top hat bolt rotation than the 1st gen tacos. Supposed to redrill I guess, but I was able to leave it rotated a bit and didn’t run out of misalignment. Couldn’t run a bypass off that mount now of course, but I don’t plan on it. I think I have thicker than normal fittings on my coilovers so I was surprised it all fit.

 

That fox looks long, sure its for LT?

 

Yeah, it’s an 8” shock. Surprised they bothered throwing dual rate rings and perches on it though lol

 

Sure doesn’t look like an 8” body from here. Very weird.

 

What is eye to eye length though? I get its 8” stroke but definitely doesn’t look like a normal 8” body. Especially with dual rate on it.

 

Eye to eye is 24” I was surprised at the dual rate, too. Probably just a checklist at the Fox production line. Don’t think anything but maybe a tender coil would fit on that short of a stroke.

 

Snap ring that holds the ubj into spindle?

new camburg is .063x1.553
Old oem is .070x1.614
Actual Camburg uniball adapter is .105x1.067

I have 5 spare oem ones that may be a bit stretched if you want me to ship a few of those, but the ones with holes for snap ring pliers are so much easier.